MikeSlater
Politics • Spirituality/Belief • Culture
Tucker Fired from FoxNews!
April 24, 2023

Today's episode of Politics by Faith is about FoxNews firing Tucker Carlson. There is a relevant story for us here about betrayal, courage and contentment.

We're now including the transcript below, (hopefully, you find that of value) in addition to the podcast here on Locals before it's available on iTunes etc.


Welcome to Politics by Faith, I'm Mike Slater. Thanks for being here. Tucker Carlson no longer at Fox News. Dan Bongino was also fired or let go or left Fox News. Also as I'm recording this podcast here, Don Lemon was fired from CNN. What is going on? We're gonna focus mostly on Tucker today. One of the difficult parts of this podcast is what story to pick. I was going to do it on Joe Biden announcing that he's gonna run for president again, which is just bonkers to me, and a new NBC poll said 70% of Americans do not want Biden to run for a second term.

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70% of Americans are like, don't do it, but he's gonna do it anyway. But we'll save that for another day. I'd rather talk about Tucker Carlson. Again, Don Lemon wrote this. He says, I was informed this morning by my agent that I've been terminated by CNN. I'm stunned. After 17 years at CNN, I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency to tell me directly.

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At no time was I ever given any indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work I've loved at the network. And he was given like a week off for some misogynistic things he said. They're like, everyone knew you were on the fritz, Don. It's clear that there are some larger issues at play. With that said, I want to thank my colleagues and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that's Don Lemon. I don't care about Don Lemon. And Bongino, it seems like they left on fine enough terms. I don't know.

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But the Tucker is what I'm most fascinated by. He is the number one cable news show. Number one show. Fired. That is something. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm in the industry. I'm a guppy compared to Tucker. So maybe I'm extra fascinated by this or it's because I'm a big fan of Tucker. I was not a fan a couple years ago and then maybe I was just jealous, I don't know.

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And then I became a bigger and bigger fan over time. And now I think his opening monologues are wonderful, terrific. And I'm fascinated by him as a person, which we'll get to in a little bit as well. But I still think this is relevant for all of us because we all watch cable news, or we all watch the news. But also, any of us can be fired at any moment. There's a story there, too, and that causes anxiety.

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The idea that you get laid off tomorrow, and be like, oh, last day was on Friday. That causes anxiety, and that's what we are here to try and alleviate, that anxiety. So let's get to it. Let's talk about Tucker Carlson. What's going on? So a couple things are interesting about Tucker Carlson's childhood. First, his dad was an orphan, grew up in the home for little wanderers, that's a real name, and then went on to become a successful business man.

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His mom and dad divorced when he was nine years old and his mom moved to France. No, excuse me, when he was six, Tucker was six, and his mom moved to France and that was it, they never talked to each other. Never talked to each other ever since then and she died relatively recently and he got a phone call about how she died and part of him was worried that maybe he'd like have a breakdown because of his like non-existent relationship with his mom but he didn't at all and he said over decades I came to terms, came to peace with the fact that I don't know this woman and she's not my mother. His dad remarried and that woman it became her mother And he never talked to his mom ever again, but he learned a really important lesson from from that abandonment I think Turned it into something as good as one could turn it into here He is talking to Megyn Kelly and so I didn't want that I wanted a totally happy family where everyone's close and everyone's named after someone else and like everyone gets together all the time.

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And I've had that. And it's the greatest thing in my life. And I really do not take that for granted. And the second thing is criticism from people who hate me doesn't really mean anything to me, I think. It really doesn't. I care what the people I love think. I care deeply. If my wife is upset with me, I can't even function because I care so much about what she thinks.

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And my children, same thing. My close friends, I have a bunch of lifelong friends, people I work with, I feel that way about them, too But like some random, you know, the ADL doesn't like me or something. Mm-hmm Partisan who runs it like I don't care. Why would I care? I'm not giving those people emotional control over me Well, I've been through that I live through that as a child. I'm not doing that again One thing that I admire of Tucker's he grew up upper-class He'll tell you that and that's my point, he'll be the first to tell you that and he doesn't pretend otherwise. You get a lot of people in politics who grew up wealthy and they pretend to be the coal miner.

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Joe Biden literally talks about how he or his parents were like coal miners. They weren't, they literally were not coal miners. But they do this game, right? And Tucker's like, no, I grew up really wealthy and I therefore know these people. I've interacted with these people, I've lived next to these people, I've spent time with these people, I know these people and they're not good people and they're not people who we should be in charge, let in charge of our country.

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I admire that perspective and that honesty from him. He's been all over cable news, CNN, had a show on MSNBC, the whole thing. I heard an interview with him a while back and the person said, oh, here we've got Tucker Carlson, number one show on cable news, and Tucker interrupted and said, yeah, well listen, I've also hosted the lowest rated show on cable news. Right now I have the highest rated show. I've also hosted the lowest rated show.

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And he talked about, just, you know, sometimes you're up and sometimes you're down and it's just the timing of it all and who knows. Isn't that wild? I mean, Tucker Carlson used to host the Fox and Friends weekend. Like, I don't know, like, and then he gets the 8 o'clock show, and he's the number one by far. Very interesting.

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But he talked about how you can't be prideful when you're up, or depressed when you're down. You just keep going. Now, even when he's up, I mean, his show, about three million people would watch his show every night, about three million. Number one on cable news by far. A lot of cable news shows are two or one million. That's nothing compared to broadcast news. You know the number one broadcast news?

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I don't even know what time it is, six o'clock? Is it six o'clock news, seven o'clock news? ABC News, David Muir, 7.5 million people. So more than twice as many people who watch Tucker Carlson watch ABC World News tonight I haven't seen a broadcast news In like 20 years. I don't know what time they're on I've never even seen a clip of one like clips from the broadcast news don't even make it Out of the broadcast news. I don't even on Twitter or Facebook. I don't even see like oh, did you see a segment the other day I say nothing I didn't even know they existed. And over two times as many people watch ABC World News Tonight as Tucker Carlson.

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So, again, that speaks to Tucker's like, yeah, I'm number one, but I could get fired any day now. And he did. There's plenty of verses in the Bible about contentment. But I really like this one from Philippians 4.11. I've learned in whatever situation I am to be content. I know how to be brought low and I know how to abound. I like that from Paul. Paul, he didn't just speak about being down, he spoke of abundance.

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He knows contentment in times of abundance. Paul knew how to properly abound. When Tucker was number one, it seems like it didn't get to his head because he knew what it was like to be at the bottom and in the middle and then back at the bottom and then unemployed and then start your own thing, the Daily Caller, and then leave that and then, oh, look, you're number one. And it's like, oh, I could get fired.

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And he did, and he seemed always okay with that. Another thing I valued about Tucker is his connection to nature. He lived in Maine. He did the show from Maine. And I think that changes a person. I think, I've always said I think Fox should be headquartered in Tennessee or Oklahoma. It's got to get out of New York City. It changes you.

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New York City changes you. It changes you when you live there, the producers who live there. It can't not affect the content that comes out of the camera to the TV. And Tucker was in Maine. I think that gave him a disconnect from it all. He also didn't have any social media or anything. So he could just do his own thing. And I valued that. And he seemed content. And it took time to go hunting and spend time outside with his dogs and all that.

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I think that affected, I know that affected his show. It had to have. So that's a little about, anyway, he got fired. So I don't know what he's going to do now. But what's really going on here? Before we get to the broader lesson for all of us, I think there's a bit of a cautionary tale. So why was he fired? We don't know. If I had to guess, it's probably because his boss had to pay $787 million in a settlement with Dominion Voting Machines.

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The billion-dollar settlement probably had something to do with it. So the claim from Dominion Voting Machines is that Fox News defamed the company by saying the election was stolen when the Fox News hosts knew that it wasn't really stolen. And through court order, they were able to get text messages that they say proved that the Fox hosts knew that the election wasn't stolen, but they would keep going on the air and saying it was. And we have all these text messages from Tucker. In one text to a producer, he said, there wasn't enough fraud to change the outcome. And he said, Sidney Powell was lying. This is a private text.

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He said he was done with Trump and his unfounded claims of a rigged election. This is just a little bit before, it was two days before January 6th. We're very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait. At another point he said, I hate him passionately. I can't handle much more of this. He says we're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, the Trump presidency, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. But come on, there really isn't, there isn't really an upside to Trump. So Tucker then said in a radio interview about this, he says, I think this is in the text, and those were all grabbed completely illegitimately, in my opinion, in this court case, which I guess I'm not allowed to talk about, but I'm enraged that my private texts were pulled. So there's context to all of these. He said one of the context when I was speaking badly about Trump was that some idiot called him an idiot on the Trump team sent Tucker names of dead people who voted in Georgia to prove the voter fraud and turned out not to be true. Tucker says we went and I repeated them on air and it turns out some of them were alive so I felt humiliated. So we felt burned by Trump's team from that.

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He says, there was no doubt that, this is in the text, there's no doubt that there was fraud in the election, but at this point Trump and Lin and Powell have so discredited their own case, discredited their own case, and the rest of us to some extent, that it's infuriating, absolutely enrages me. On November 9th, Carlson was talking about Dominion and said, the software, crap, swear word, is absurd. But then on TV that night, he said, we don't know anything about the software that many say was rigged. We don't know. We ought to find out.

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So you see the claim from Dominion. Like behind the scenes Tucker was saying, it was nonsense, but on air, he's like, oh. There's other text. Laura Ingram wrote to Tucker and Hannity, we are officially working for an organization that hates us. That's my favorite one, I like that too. Anyway, he was probably fired because Rupert Murdoch couldn't have the guy on air who was a part of costing him a billion dollars.

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Even if he was the number one show. I've actually, I've been surprised that Tucker was ever allowed to stay on the air. The fact that he was on at all, and the fact that he was on, I guess made me think that they would never fire him. Like if they haven't fired him already, just because of the provocative things that he says that I've never heard anyone else say on TV. I just thought he was bulletproof, but alas.

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Also in the text messages, Tucker swears a lot, and he says the C word a lot. Having a foul mouth is in the Bible as well. Ephesians 5.4, let there be no filthiness or foolish talk, nor crude joking. Ephesians 4.29, let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. Colossians 3.8, but now you must put them all away, anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Last one, 2 Timothy 2.16, I like this line, avoid worldly empty chatter.

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Another version has, avoid irreverent babble. For it will lead people into more and more ungodliness. The context here is to avoid false preachers. But I like the idea that the words you say, other people hear. And the words you say can lead people away from what is good, beautiful, and true. Other people overhear you, and you are responsible for that, for what you say. Not necessarily how people interpret it, that's up to them, but the things you say.

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And that's why David, Psalm 141, three says, "'Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth. "'Keep watch over the door of my lips.'" Especially when people are gunning for you. When people are looking for ways to take you out, and obviously talk at the number one show, he had a huge, like all of media matters, every day was constantly trying to destroy him, right? So when people are looking to do that, you can't give them more reasons.

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You gotta be above reproach. So anyway, that's probably why he was fired was the Dominion stuff and I bet some of the foul language was like a little cherry on top of they could say, oh he was creating a toxic work environment, something like that they could probably get away with. Alright, let's lament here for a little bit. to tell the truth in, actually, let's take a break here. Let me tell you about Public Square. This is perfect timing.

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Public Square is an app. You can download it for free. And it connects you with people who run businesses that share your values. Did you see the other day the VP at Bud Light who was responsible for the whole Dylan Mulvaney thing is on a leave of absence, should probably get fired, which is great. It's like the first conservative boycott I've actually seen make any real inroads and last for longer than a day.

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So that's awesome. Go well, go broke, man, that doesn't happen as much as I'd like it to. So we need an alternate parallel marketplace where we do business with people who share our values. And that's what Public Square does, it connects you with those people, locally and then also nationwide. And I know Michael, the founder of Public Square, and it's a company of people who tell the truth. That's what I just thought of them right here.

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I lamented how difficult it is to tell the truth, and Michael is a man who tells the truth. And he's created this great app and this great company that's thriving, they're going public, it's awesome. So jump in early on it. PublicSQ.com. You can read the five values that every business owner has to agree with. And you can download the app for free. Public Square.

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And they're the first sponsor of this podcast. I'll never forget that. And I've been a user of theirs. I was at their launch party a couple years ago. They're great. Public Square, free download. So I lament how difficult it can be to tell the truth. In the media world, there is a strong pressure for a host to say what they think the audience wants to hear.

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There's a huge financial incentive. It makes sense, right? If I don't say what my audience wants to hear in an entertaining way, then no one will listen. And then we won't sell advertisements and then I lose my job and I can't pay my mortgage. Like, right now, you're like, well Slater, you just did an advertisement. Yeah, I'm not, I think I don't even know how much, I've never even been paid, I haven't even been paid a penny for this podcast.

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I don't even know what that, what I'm getting paid for that podcast, for that advertisement, I literally don't even know. Maybe, maybe, maybe like a thousand bucks over the year. I really don't even know. But if, the bigger you get, the greater that incentive is to make sure you don't lose your audience. Make sure you don't say something that will destroy the business.

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And then if you are running a big company with employees, now you got those families. Like what you say, you can lose everything. And then all these other families are going to be hurt. Oh, the pressure. I wish people wanted to hear the truth. That's it, right? There's always going to be that pressure to say what your audience, you think they want to say. Here, I want an audience that just wants to hear the truth.

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I wish that's what people wanted to hear, even if they disagreed with it. We don't have that, we just want to hear, people agree with us. That's what I agree. That's just what we gravitate to. So that's that, I also lament being fired. I was talking to someone in this industry that I'm in, and he said the company that he works for has a history of just randomly firing people, for just no rhyme or reason.

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It could be the number one host. It could be the number one host on the number one station in the market and they're gone. And for this company, it's just money, dollars, bottom line and no sense behind it, no justice behind any of it. And that stings. But I was talking to him about it and he said, no, it's good in a way because it's made me learn that every day is gravy, every day is a gift.

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Every day I wake up expecting to be fired and I expect every show to be my last. And I actually think that's a really healthy way to go through life because you don't know if today is literally your last day on earth. This weekend, I happened to listen to a speech that Tucker Carlson gave at the Heritage Foundation's 50th anniversary dinner. And I guess, this must have been like a Friday night or Saturday night I guess the dinner and I don't know if he knew he was getting fired on Monday when he gave this talk or not that'd be interesting if he kind of knew in the back of his head but didn't say anything I don't know but he would this is the last question he was asked when everyone wakes up tomorrow whether they're staying here or they're able to go home what should be top of mind for them to do in their local community.

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Oh well the very first thing you should do every single day is tell all the people you love that you love them for two reasons. Because you do in affirming things out loud makes them real. Words are the most important and most powerful thing that we have. And of course I have an interest in saying that I sold Chrysler's I'd be like cars are the most important thing. But words are. In the beginning was the word. And so articulate it. And that is also simultaneously an acknowledgement of a truth that we don't face, which is we don't know what's going to happen today.

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And we could die. That's the one thing that unites every person, is the certainty of death. And reminding yourself of that every single day will bring you, paradoxically, joy. I love you. That's the most important thing. I think that's a really healthy posture. This could be my last. And then when it is taken away, you're like, well, sounds about right.

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Can't believe it lasted as long as it did. Now let's get to some historical and biblical perspective here. Let's start with historical. So I'm on a Jonathan Edwards kick. Jonathan Edwards led the Great Awakening in America. This was in the 1730s and the 1740s. So it was led by, or sparked and led by Jonathan Edwards. So I've been, I think we need another Great Awakening in America. So I'm reading about Jonathan Edwards because I'd like to see the parallels and maybe how we can replicate similarities and differences. So Jonathan Edwards was fired from his job. A vote by the entire congregation, his congregation. This was in 1950. Only 10% of his congregation voted to keep him on the job. He kicked him out. You're gone.

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One of the most brilliant men in American history. Leader of the Great Awakening. His own congregation fired him. Why? Here's what he wrote. He said, a very great difficulty has arisen between my people relating to qualifications for communion at the Lord's table. My honored grandfather, Stoddard, that's who ran the church before him, my predecessor in the ministry over this church, strenuously maintained the Lord's Supper to be a converting ordinance and urged all to come who were not of scandalous life, though they knew themselves to be unconverted." So he said, anyone who is not a Christian, you can take communion. I formerly conformed to this practice, but I've had difficulties with respect to it, which have been long increasing, till I dared no longer proceed in the former way, which has occasioned great uneasiness among my people and has filled all the country with noise. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone on Twitter is talking about it.

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So again, the guy before him said anyone could take communion. And then Jonathan Edwards finally came to the conviction that no, no, only Christians are allowed to take communion here. I'm going to protect the table. So he took a stand. He took a stand on something. He had a conviction. People don't like that. People rarely like it when someone has a conviction. It's odd. Maybe it's because we're growing up, we're living in this soup of, oh, I don't know, everyone each to each his own, beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

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So it's like if anyone makes a stand, oh, you think you're better than us? It's like, oh, no, I just think this is really important and I think this is true. Jonathan Edwards strived for truth and holiness and purity. He was trying to preserve something of great importance. People didn't like that. Even the people of his own church. I want to read this quote from J. H. Thornwell.

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This was in 1846. He was noticing that churches were becoming more liberal. In 1846. I cannot imagine what these guys would have thought of many churches today. I want to read this quote here, but check out the parallels to cable news. He's talking about the church, but similar theme. He said, our whole system of operations gives an undue influence to money. Where money is the great want, numbers must be sought. And where an ambition for numbers prevails, doctrinal purity must be sacrificed. The root of the evil is in the secular spirit of all of our ecclesiastical institutions.

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What we want is a spiritual body, a church whose power lies in the truth and the presence of the Holy Ghost. To un-secularize the church should be the unceasing aim of all who are anxious that the ways of Zion should flourish. That's true about our political system today. Our whole political system, I'm just going to re-read the quote here, but apologies, our whole political system gives an undue influence to money. Where money is the great want, numbers must be sought. And where ambition for numbers prevails, truth must be sacrificed. Having a conviction about anything.

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I want to be a people, I want to, me personally, I want to have convictions. And I want to be a part of a group of people that have convictions about things. Who feel strongly about important things. Don't you think that's good? But that's all a bit of an aside. The reason I bring up this is because Jonathan Edwards got fired, and I'm sure he felt betrayed. I'm sure Jonathan Edwards, it's like I gave my life to this church, to you, to you, this congregation, you fired me? I gave so much time and energy to this company.

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I feel like this is a common thing when you get fired to this company, and you fire me just like that? I'm the top salesperson here, I'm the top executive here, I've made this company way more money than you've ever paid me, and that's how you repay me now you fire me like that's got that feeling of betrayal must be common if you are laid off. Biblically of course I think of Judas betraying Jesus. One of Jesus's twelve disciples he was in Jesus's inner circle and he went to the Pharisees he said what will you give me if I deliver him over to you?

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And they paid him 30 pieces of silver. That was it, 30 pieces. So how much was that? Don't really know, I've heard as high as 120 days wages. So a third of your salary. So what, 20, 30 grand, that's it? We're gonna betray Jesus for 30K? Matthew 26, 48, now the betrayer had given him a sign saying the one I will kiss is the man, seize him. And he came up to Jesus at once and said, greetings rabbi.

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And he kissed him. And Jesus said to him, friend, do what you came to do. Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him, betrayed with a kiss. Back then a kiss was a sign of deep respect and honor and brotherly love. There's an intimacy there. Obviously, you need to get close to the person to do it. And this was one of his disciples. This was a student showing his love to his teacher on the outside but on the inside he was betraying him, leading him to the cross.

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Luke 22 3, then Satan entered into Judas who was one of the number of the twelve. Satan entered into and Satan thought he won. Satan thought he won. Let me show this verse. David obviously was betrayed many times. He said, if an enemy were insulting me, I could endure it. This goes back a little bit to what Tucker was talking about about I only care what my friends and family think of me. I don't care what media matters thinks about me. If an enemy were insulting me, I could endure it. If a foe were rising against me, I could hide. But it is you, a man like myself, my companion, my close friend, with whom I once enjoyed sweet fellowship at the house of God as we walked about among the worshippers." Ah, to be betrayed by a friend or family.

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Job said similar, Job 19, 19, those I love have turned against me. It didn't work out for Judas. Later the Bible says, then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priest and the elders saying I've sinned by betraying innocent blood. So what is that to us? See to it yourself.

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And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple he departed and he went and hanged himself. Not a biblical thing but Dante's Inferno, the ninth circle of hell, the deepest circle of hell is for betrayers and this circle of hell is called Judaica, named after Judas, who betrayed Jesus. So Judas is, so betrayal is like the worst sin and the worst betrayer of all. The innermost, lowest, deepest, hottest circle of hell is Judas. Actually, no, I got that wrong. It's not hot down there. Anyway, that's just art. But if you've ever been fired, you have this feeling of betrayal from your employer. Maybe you're even feeling it as a Fox News viewer for them firing a host that you like. All I can say is get ready for a lot more of it.

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In our culture, in our media, from brands like Bud Light, in politics and in life. Maybe you experienced some of that during COVID. You're like, oh, wow, like friends and family, what, really? But as you experience it, because part of societal breakdown and civilizational breakdown is going to be more of these sinful things occur. And one of them is, the worst of them is betrayal. So as it happens to you, know that Jesus was betrayed.

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He knew it was going to happen. God knew it was going to happen. And it was to bring about the greater plan. Satan thought he won. So as you're being betrayed, or if you were, or when you are, God knows everything that is happening to you. And he knows what's gonna happen next. And maybe it's to bring about a greater plan, which you could never understand right now in the moment. None of us can.

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That was Monday's morning motivation, was all about the tapestry, about how we can never understand the moment. We can't turn around the tapestry and see what's being built, see what's being created, see what's really going on. Jesus knew he was gonna be betrayed. He knows everything about what's going on with your life right now, but he also knows what it's like to be betrayed, so go to him.

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Tell him about it. He knows. So, Sleater, what's in my control? First, practically don't text or say anything to anyone ever that you would not want posted everywhere always. So just don't do it. You cannot put anything in writing that you would not share, you would not share it everywhere, that you would not want put on the news.

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And the truth is, anything you text, God sees it anyway. That's actually more important than it going in public. So first thing, don't put anything in writing. Second thing that's in your control, tell the truth always. Just tell the truth. We have to try to resist those urges of, but what about my audience? Or what about this? What about that?

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What about the client? What about this? What about, just tell the truth. Third thing, have courage. Here's another moment from that Heritage Foundation speech that Tucker gave just this last weekend. The truth is contagious. Lying is, but the truth is as well. And the second you decide to tell the truth about something, you are filled with this – I don't want to get supernatural on you – but you are filled with this power from somewhere else.

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Try it. Tell the truth about something. You feel it every day. The more you tell the truth, the stronger you become. That's completely real. It's measurable in the way that you feel. And of course, the opposite is also true. The more you lie the weaker and more terrified you become. We all know that feeling. You lie about something and all of a sudden you're a prisoner of that lie. You are diminished by it. You are weak and afraid. Drug and alcohol use is the same way. It makes you weak and afraid. heavy price for telling the truth. And they are cast out of their groups, whatever those groups are, but they do it anyway.

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And I look on at those people with the deepest possible admiration. I am paid to do that. I face no penalty. Someone comes up to me, you're so brave, really? I'm a talk show host. It's like I can have any opinion I want. That's my job, that's why they pay me. It's not brave to tell the truth on a cable news show, and if you're not doing that, you're really an idiot.

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You're really craving. You're lying on television. Why would you do that? You're literally making a living to say what you think, and you can't even do that? Please. But how about if you're a senior vice president at Citibank? I'm serious. Citibank. And you're making, you know, four million a year. And you've got three kids in Bedford and two are in boarding school and one starting at Wesleyan next year. And like, you need this job, honestly. And your whole sector is kind of collapsing and you know that. There is no incentive whatsoever for you to tell the truth about anything. You just go into little re-education meetings and you're like, yeah, diversity is our strength, that's exactly right.

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So if you're the one guy who refuses to say that, you are a hero, in my opinion. And I know some of them. In fact, my job is to interview them. And I sit back and I look at these people and I give them more credit than I do people who display physical courage, which is often impulsive, by the way. And I'm not denigrating physical courage, which I deeply admire. But you interview people who do amazing things, you know, who rush into the proverbial burning building And like every man is kind of trained from birth to fantasize about what he would do when the building catches fire and you hear a baby crying and so you run inside No one is trained to stand up in the middle of a DEI meeting at Citibank and say this is nonsense and the people who do that, oh Oh, they have my deepest admiration.

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And so their example really gives me hope. It thrills me. I talk to them all day long, people like that. That's the first thing. We should, in this sad moment of profound and widespread destruction of the institutions that people who share our views built, by the way, earlier generations that would agree substantially with every person in this room, they built those and now they're being destroyed.

0:34:50
And oh, that's so depressing. But we can also see rising in the distance new things, new institutions led by new people who are every bit as brave as the people who came before us. Amen. And finally, the things that are in your control. So again, be careful what you put on paper or text. Tell the truth always. Have courage and go to God. Make Him your strength, not your job or anything else. May God your strength. Habakkuk 3.17, though the fig tree should not blossom, nor fruit beyond the vines, the produce of the olive fail, and the fields yield no fruit. Sorry, real quick, I'm just thinking of Tucker in Maine today.

0:35:32
I have no idea what Tucker's, I have no insight to Tucker, or whatever, I've never talked to him before. But I just imagine him in Maine just hunting right now. He's just going for a long walk in the woods with his dogs. At least this vision of Tucker I've created, or what I hope I would be, is wouldn't even care at all. Wouldn't, now it's easy to say when you get paid $35 million a year or whatever, hopefully he's stored some of that away, financially he'll be fine, that's different.

0:35:59
But still you hope he'd be like, you'd hope you'd trust in God enough. And as the Bible says, though the fig tree should not blossom and all these bad things, right? The flock be cut off from the fold and there be no herd in the stalls, even all these terrible bad things, yet I will rejoice in the Lord. I will take joy in the God of my salvation.

0:36:24
God the Lord is my strength. Not my bank account. He makes my feet like the deers. He makes me tread on my high places. Amazing. All right, so final thought here. Final thought to think about. Final thing to meditate on. First let me tell you about Patriot Gold Group, one of the sponsors of this podcast. One of the themes of this podcast, as we just talked about, is you can't rely on earthly things. 100% true. You also have to be a good steward. You also have to make good, wise decisions for your family. And for me, financially, I bought gold.

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And I bought it from Patriot Gold Group. Lots of places to buy gold, I assume. I bought it from Patriot Gold Group. They are the consumer affairs top-rated gold IRA dealer six years in a row. group. They are the consumer affairs top rated gold IRA dealer six years in a row. I've only heard Tucker talk about this. Maybe other people on cable news have, I haven't heard anyone other than Tucker talk about the petrodollar, about how Saudi Arabia and China and other countries are talking about trading oil with something other than U.S. currency.

0:37:38
And that would be the downfall of the reserve currency of the U.S. dollar of the world. And that's a major problem for everyone, literally everyone. I haven't heard anyone talk about that except for Tucker. So listen, what's the dollar going to be worth over time? Zero, right? What's gold going to be worth? It's always been worth something. It's been around for thousands of years. 888-617-6122. Consider it.

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See if it makes sense for you and your family. And as you consider it, definitely call Patriot Gold Group. 888-617-6122 for a free investor guide. 888-617-6122 or their website, patriotgoldgroup.com. Final thing to meditate on, I mentioned earlier this idea that you may lose your job at any moment so be grateful for it when you have it. I'm sure there's many people listening right now who have lost a job and thought it was devastating at the time, but then have a great story that ends with, thank goodness I was fired, otherwise I never would have filled the blank.

0:38:41
And that's a wonderful thing. Let me end with this sermon from Jonathan Edwards, who we spoke of earlier. This was his, I don't want to say his first big sermon, but this was a remarkable sermon. It was at a church in Boston, and it was the same weekend as the Harvard commencement. So there are a lot of big wigs in the audience. Jonathan Edwards was not from Boston, so he was an outsider, wasn't a Harvard graduate, he was a Yale grad, an outsider.

0:39:07
He was only 28, he was young, and he gave this wonderful sermon called God Glorified by the greatness of man's dependence upon him. You can get the theme based on the title. God is glorified in the greatness of man's dependence upon him. And this is the final line. Let us endeavor, let us endeavor to obtain and increase in our great dependence on God. To have our eye to him alone, to mortify, to put to death, a self-dependent and self-righteous disposition.

0:39:44
Man is naturally exceedingly prone to exalt himself and depend on his own power or goodness, as though from himself he must expect happiness. He is prone to have respect to enjoyments alien from God and His Spirit, as those in which happiness is to be found. But this doctrine should teach us to exalt God alone as by trust and reliance so by praise. Let him that glorieth glory in the Lord. Let us not find our identity or glory in our job and may we always no matter what difficulty or suffering we're going through, or uncertainty. May we always look to God for our full and complete dependence.

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We were on Fox & Friends talking about all of the train robberies in CA. It's so bad the train company says they may have to ride right THROUGH Los Angeles entirely and never slow down lol. What a joke this state it.

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Isn't that a fascinating era? We got like 1776, like that's great, I love it, I want to know more, I don't know nearly enough. But what about the 1720s? What was going on there? Or the late 1600s? What was going on in America at that time? And you know, we've all heard of the Puritans, but you ...

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I've gone back and forth on the death penalty many times over the years. I've recently come down on the other side.

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Mr. Slater,

I can't begin to convey my disappointment and insult regarding your 20+ minute monologue on the end of the Penny and the force-fed vote, mis-vote, re-vote dribble that you subjected your paying followers to.

To think that you blithely force-fed your fans - who follow you for your substance and (albeit fallible) insight - this morning to such pablum is beneath contempt, Sir; more fool me?

To think I could have be podcasting something substantive instead of paying to hear flippant muck. What a waste of time and money.

Who do you think yourself to be? What do you think of your audience??

That's all I got.

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Exodus 28:34 So that there shall be a golden bell and a pomegranate, and again another golden bell and a pomegranate.

Exodus 39:23 And little bells of the purest gold, which they put between the pomegranates at the bottom of the tunic round about:

Exodus 39:24 To wit, a bell of gold, and a pomegranate, wherewith the high priest went adorned, when he discharged his ministry, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Sirach 45:10 He put upon him a garment to the feet, and breeches, and an ephod, and he compassed him with many little bells of gold all round about,

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American Laziness and The Withered Hand
Politics By Faith, November 14, 2025

What is our responsibility to upend the entire economic order of America to accommodate for people's laziness? And, what is our duty to praise God for anything we're ever capable of doing?

 


Okay, politics by faith. Thanks for being here. We had someone call into the Sirius XM show today who I'm not sure if he was the owner or a manager, pretty high up guy who said he can't find good work. He can't find people with hard skills or soft skills, hard skills. I asked him, I was like, well, what do you mean? Like what kind of hard skill? 

What are people, what are Americans not capable of doing? He said, uh, operate and read a tape measure, basic math. And I don't, I think the soft skills are worse. Like that's more concerning. that people don't have soft skills of showing up on time or caring just a little bit, taking a little initiative, a little ownership, wanting to finish the job for the job's sake, just because it is good to finish. Thinking that something is, you know, that's not my problem. 

But that attitude, you know, after Zoran and a bunch of other Democrats won the election a week or so ago, it seems to be a common thought here that this next year, Trump and everyone really needs to focus on the economy. We got to get prices down, got to get the economy humming, got to get wages up, got things got to be good out there in the economy. That's true. But how much of the problems with our economy are so foundationally broken? How much of the problems of our economy, just laziness and maybe not even late, but just our, whatever this is, whatever the sin is, whatever the vice is. And I'm not letting the fat cats off the hook. 

There's plenty of blame to go around. Here's what I was, why I was thinking about this. I saw this, uh, this podcast called financial audit. And I watch these little shorts every once in a while. This guy is broke. He's in debt. 

He does DoorDash. He's got two kids, 10 month old and another kid and a wife. He does DoorDash. He has DoorDash, DoorDash to his car while he's DoorDashing. He said it takes two hours of DoorDashing in order to pay for the DoorDash. So that guy, so lazy and like pathetic. 

But then he's going to complain that he doesn't own a home and he'll complain that he's 40 years old and doesn't have a home and doesn't have any capital. He's in debt. And you're like, listen, man, what do you what do you want me to do? This is a serious question. What is my and our obligation to completely rewrite the entire economic order for people like this? How many bills must we pass? 

Do I have to command and demand our president and Congress people to write bills in order to help people like him? I need to change. We need to make it so home ownership is easier for him. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. There's plenty of biblical wisdom here about how you can't force people to do the right thing. Even when it's right in front of them. 

We're going to do more on Monday's radio show about this and we can report back here. What's the root of this? What is the root of this laziness other than just sin? And how do we get rid of this? Another part of this is our materialist culture where our identity and our life is all about money and how much we have. And we always need more. 

Now we have credit cards. We can get as much as we want, but no one wants to work for it. And then they complain when they don't have it. It's a mess. I read Mark 3 this morning. Mark 3 might apply. 

This might be too much of a stretch. That's fine if it is. If you don't think it's a stretch and you're like, wow, that was a great analysis. Take it. If you think it's a stretch, ignore the first part of this and let's just enjoy Mark 3 verses 1 through 6. Here it is. 

And he, Jesus, entered the synagogue again. And a man was there who had a withered hand. A withered hand? What's a withered hand? This guy's hand was paralyzed. Didn't work, shriveled up, and he couldn't make a living back then. 

So he's probably super poor as well. Withered hand. So they watched him, Jesus, closely, whether he would heal him on the Sabbath so that they might accuse him. And he said to the man with the withered hand, step forward. Then he said to them, is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill? But they kept silent. 

And when he had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, stretch out your hand. And he stretched it out and his hand was restored as whole as the other. Then the Pharisees went out and immediately plotted with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him. So we've got a couple of really interesting things here. If Jesus entering the synagogue, the critics of Jesus were there and they were watching him closely. They knew of Jesus. 

They knew what he could do. They didn't question if he could heal this man's hand. It was just if he was going to do it on the Sabbath. They were hoping it would so that they could accuse him. Isn't that interesting? So they knew of Jesus, they knew what he could do, they didn't question it. 

but none of that brought them, none of knowing what Jesus could do brought them any closer to loving him. I heard it said it was as if a man could fly, but the authorities wanted to know if he had a pilot's license. Do you imagine that? Do you imagine someone flies, someone's flying around like a bird and you're like, I don't know if he's allowed to do that. That's, he needs to check in with the FAA on that one. Let's kill him. 

Like, as opposed to what are you doing? It didn't matter that he was healing people. It was that Jesus was doing something that was taking away their power. And these men had hard hearts. It says that Jesus looked at them with anger, grieved by the hardness of their hearts. You don't hear often or think often about Jesus being angry, but here's the part I wanted to highlight here. 

Jesus said to the man, stretch out your hand. 

Well, hold on. 

How can he stretch out his hand? It's withered. That's the point of the story. Well, first of all, one interesting point too, Jesus said to the man, step forward. So the man's feet work. And his feet work well enough to even bring him to the synagogue. 

So his feet work, praise God for that. But his hand doesn't. But Jesus still says, stretch out your hand. Can't, it's withered. This is Adam Clark, around 1790s or so. He said, this is Bible commentary. 

He said, this man might have reasoned thus, Lord, my hand is withered. How then can I stretch it out? You make it whole first, Jesus. And then afterwards, I'll do as you command. This may appear reasonable, but in his case, it would have been foolishness. At the command of the Lord, he made the effort. 

and in making it, the cure was effective. So he healed the man's hand, and instead of the Pharisees saying, that was awesome, we love you, Jesus, they went immediately to these other people to destroy him. Can't please everyone, can you? This other group, they were not religious. They were Jews who loved the king, King Herod. Got to go kill Jesus now. 

Tons to focus on here. I just want to highlight the faith that it took for this man to stretch out his withered hand. Martin Lloyd -Jones says the ultimate cause of all spiritual depression is unbelief. For if it were not for unbelief, even the devil could do nothing. I wanted to bring all these together here because A, we need to focus on Jesus, less on stuff. Talking to me here. 

And two, we need to thank God for our ability to do things, to do anything. Every single part of me is withered without blessings from God. All of me is withered. Physically, spiritually, every single part of me is withered. So the fact that I can do anything ever, praise God, but it's got to be Sinful, isn't it? If you have the ability and you don't, what a waste, what an insult to God. 

I think it's very important that we encourage people to do as much as they can with their God given abilities. We should rebuke those who do not and praise those who are. Okay, quick time out here. That was the end of the podcast. I stopped recording. I was about to edit in the music before and after. 

I got distracted with something. My TV producer, Matt, sent me a text and said, Jonathan Edwards. This is exactly what happened 10 seconds ago. I said, Jonathan Edwards, what about him? He goes, that was the link I sent you. And I said that wasn't the right link. 

And he's like, oh, let me send you the right link. He sent me the right link. And here's a quote. He sent me a quote from Jonathan Edwards. It's like, oh, this is the perfect quote for what I was just talking about. This is Jonathan Edwards. 

Sin, like some powerful astringent, contracted his soul to the very small dimensions of selfishness. And God was forsaken, and fellow creatures forsaken, and man retired within himself. and became totally governed by narrow and selfish principles of feelings. Self -love became absolute master of his soul, and the more noble and spiritual principles of his being took wings and flew away. " Isn't that it? James 3 .16, where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there's disorder, there's disorder in every evil thing. 

Selfish ambition can either mean I'm going to achieve all the money and get all the money and fame in the world for me, Or it can be the opposite of that in a secular sense, but it's the same idea. It's all about me, me, me, my feelings. Even if that's laziness, which leads to poverty. Either way, you're worshiping the self. Great last second, last second shot from Jonathan Edwards, rate buzzer beater. We had a buzzer beater right at the end there from Jonathan Edwards. 

The idea is whatever we do in all things, glorify God. mikeslater . locals . com. Transcript commercial free on the website, mikeslater .

 

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Charlie Kirk's Mentor, Dr. Frank Turek
Politics By Faith, November 13, 2025

15 years ago, before I was a Christian, my friend handed me a book by Dr. Frank Turek. I think about this book all the time. It turns out the author was Charlie Kirk's mentor and spoke at Berkeley the other day amidst the violence. Here is our interview with Dr. Turek on ontology, spistomology and theodicy.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thank you for being here with a special episode today. This morning on my Sirius XM radio show, Breitbart News Daily, had the honor of talking with a one Dr. Frank Turek, mentor of Charlie Kirk, standing right next to him when Charlie was assassinated on September 10th. And he spoke at Berkeley University the other day where there was all the riots and protests out front. Great honor to talk to this man who is very influential in my becoming a Christian. 

I had a militant atheist once at Michigan State ask me this question. He said, if there is a good God, why doesn't he stop all the evil in the world? And I said, sir, that is an excellent question. Maybe because if he did, he might start with you and me because we do evil every day. You ever notice we start complaining about evil. We always start complaining about somebody else doing it. 

It's like, hey, God, why don't you stop him? God, why don't you stop her? God, why don't you stop the shooter? God, why don't you stop Hitler? 

God, why don't you stop? 

Why do we never say, God, why don't you stop me? Ladies and gentlemen, if God were to stop evil at midnight tonight, would you still be alive at 1201? 

There you go. America is the greatest country in the world. Good morning. That is Dr. Frank Turek. He is the president of CrossExamined . org and the author of a book that my friend Paul gave to me right before I became a Christian. 

It's the most influential book, other than the Bible, of course. I didn't even know what apologetics was. The book's called I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, and I think about it all the time. It's the book I've given to the most people in my 15 years since it was first handed to me. You also happen to be Charlie Kirk's mentor. And that was a speech last night, or a couple nights ago, at Berkeley University. 

Dr. Turek, how are you, sir? 

Mike, I'm doing fine. But Antifa, want that event to go on, as you know. But God has a plan. More attention was brought to that event because of their crude, vile behavior. And that's one reason why we're having this conversation, I guess. 

Yeah, that's right. Did you feel the chaos? We saw it outside. 

Did you feel it? 

Oh, yeah. We were already inside before all that had begun. But it's amazing to me, the people who say they're fighting for inclusion, tolerance and diversity will not include you and will not tolerate you for holding a diverse view. I mean, if irony could kill, they'd be dead because they're doing exactly what they charge people on the right are doing. You know, I mean, they charge my friend Charlie Kirk with being a fascist because we all know, Mike, that a fascist tactic is to hand the microphone to your opponent and say, please make your case. I will listen. 

I mean, The people against Charlie Kirk are the fascists. The people that shot him or the guy that shot him is a fascist. It's crazy what the left does. They do exactly what they claim you're doing. You're not doing it. 

They are. 

Do these events feel different since Charlie was assassinated? 

Yes. This is the first event where we had mass protest. The other events, I guess I did four or five college events prior to this. They were all scheduled prior to Charlie. Tonight, I'll be at the University of Alabama, Lord willing. And then next Thursday, Boise State. 

But so far, other than this event, the college events have been mostly Christians and people sympathetic to TPUSA showing up. And it's been more cathartic than it has been adversarial. Although I will say everybody's been the room at Berkeley the other night was a supporter. The first guy claimed to be part of Antifa, and he asked Rob Schneider a question, and he was very disrespectful to Rob. And Rob got back to him with some sarcasm of his own, and then later shook his hand, because Rob was saying, You know, we're the peaceful ones in here. 

We're the ones that want to have a conversation. It's the people on your side who are outside of this venue right now, hurling bottles and and lighting off firecrackers and spitting on people. We want to have a conversation and you guys don't. Now, what's the way forward? Let's have a conversation. 

Yeah, that's great. What did you say when the Turning Point people said, hey, Frank, How about Berkeley? 

You want to go? 

Boise is one thing. 

Boise, great. 

Alabama, sure. You're going to go to Berkeley too. 

What was your first thought? 

Well, Charlie and I were talking about it months ago. I said, Charlie, if there's any campus I want to go with you to, it'd be Berkeley. He said, well, let's do it. So it was supposed to be me and Charlie the other night there. He's going to remain in glory, obviously, and did. 

So why did you want to go there? 

Oh, because it's the most liberal school in the country. I want to go into that. Those are the people I want to reach, you know, and the people around that area who are Christians, they need a lifeline. They need someone to come in and say, well, we're going to come into your area and speak, because typically you don't get that kind of speaker there. I mean, you remember, how long ago was this, Mike? Was it five or six years ago, six, seven years ago when Ben Shapiro went there? 

And they had to have 600 police officers protect him. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Let's let's let's talk about how we're all. 

inclusive, tolerant, and diverse, but anybody that disagrees with us, we won't include and we won't tolerate. It's so hypocritical. Lightbulb you lit in my head, which was that people say there's no such thing as truth. Is that true? It's the same illogic right from the very jump for these people. 

What would you say your mission is? 

Are you there to encourage believers or convince the atheists more? 

Yes. How about both? My goal on a college campus is to encourage and equip the Christians and put a stone in the shoe of the skeptics. Look, you're not going to reach people like Antifa because they're totally closed off. And Jesus talked about this. He said, don't cast your pearls before swine because they will trample you to death. 

Now, you need to know who the swine are, who are the people that have their minds completely closed, may even have some sort of demonic activity going on. You're not going to reach them. Nobody's going to reach. They're not open. But there are people in the middle. And look, not everybody on the left agrees with Antifa. 

We can't be like the left and and paint everybody with a broad brush. If you have leftist political views, I hope you don't agree with Antifa on the method of achieving those views, right? 

But about a third of young people who are students think it's okay to use violence to oppose a political idea, whereas only about 3 % of very conservative students think that, and that's 3 % too many. But when you got a third of left -wing students saying violence is okay to advance or to oppose a political idea, we got a big problem here. 

Talking to Dr. Frank Turek, Charlie Kirk's mentor. How often do you think about September 10th? First thing I think about when I wake up is Charlie. Last thing I think about before I go to sleep is Charlie. I was there. It's going to take a while. 

It was just an awful stain on our country, an awful stain on our politics. But, on the other hand, Mike, it's also a demonstration that this world is fallen, that we're all fallen, that we all need a Savior, that evil is real, and if evil is real, that means good is real, because you can't have evil without good, and you can't have good without God. 

So this event actually shows God does exist, not that He doesn't, because it wouldn't even be evil unless God existed, and that's what I was talking about at Berkeley. You played that clip at the top of the show. 

Yeah. You weren't there. You were standing right next to him. Yeah, I mean, I was there because Charlie and I had spent the previous couple of days together, you know, talking about how to answer certain questions, particularly about the Christian faith, and even about Israel. People say, oh, he was waffling on Israel. No, he wasn't. 

I was in a meeting with him the day before he was murdered, talking about that, in fact, with three Israelis. So yeah, there's so much misinformation put out. And Candace Owens, unfortunately, is putting out a lot of it. She says she's asking questions, but she's insinuating that certain people are guilty when they're not. And that's just ethically wrong. I mean, my friend Mikey McCoy is getting death threats. 

I'm having people email me. 

You never know what can happen to you. 

You know, you ought to repent. Of what? You know, I mean, it's amazing. The ask questions. 

Didn't Charlie have a word for that? He had a phrase like the asking questions crowd or something like that. The just asking questions. It's okay to ask questions, it's not okay to insinuate people are guilty when you have no evidence. Okay? There's a difference between a possibility and evidence for a possibility. 

By the way, the same kind of thing happens when people talk about the resurrection. They'll say, oh, you know, somebody stole Jesus's body, or, you know, he swooned, or they went to the wrong tomb, and they come up with all these possibilities. All those things are possible, but you don't have any evidence for those. 

You need evidence to say, yeah, that's what we think happened. I mean, it's possible aliens took his body, Mike. 

But we don't have evidence for that. 

Yeah, but we do have evidence for a different thing. Of course, the truth. Yeah, he rose from the dead. Yeah. 

I asked earlier in the show, I asked if anyone has any questions for the email. And I got a couple of good ones here. This is from Dan. He said, what was Charlie like in the beginning stages of wanting to understand more and improve his wisdom or knowledge? Well, as I said at the memorial service, it can be hard to mentor somebody smarter than you. but not with Charlie Kirk because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility. 

And the few things that I knew that he didn't, he wanted to know. So Charlie was the same always. He was always asking questions. He could learn from anybody because he knew he needed to learn from anybody. I mean, 31 years old, Mike. I mean, look at how accomplished he was at 31. 

Why was he accomplished at 31? Because he knew that he could learn from other people and he took the opportunity to do so. He wasn't a know -it -all. He was somebody that knew he didn't know everything, and wanted to learn so much so he could be a better ambassador for Christ. He wanted to do two things. 

He wanted to bring skeptics to Jesus, and he wanted to bring people on the left to the right, and also affirm people on the right to know that we ought to learn. conserve values, not just values, they're moral truths, they're not just my opinion, to conserve what we know is good, right, true, and beautiful. That's what conservatives are supposed to do, conserve what's right and beautiful. That's what we're supposed to do, and Charlie wanted to do that. Give me an example recently, or whatever, of the stone in the shoe. I love that idea. 

You just want to throw a little, just some little thing that sticks with someone. What has been a stone in the shoe lately that someone's come back to you with and been like, oh man, you got me, Dr. Turek. You got me. That was the stone and I couldn't let it go. Well, evil is a big stone in the shoe of unbelievers because they have no standard by which to even tell you what evil is. Because if there is no standard of good that we're obligated to obey, then evil itself doesn't really exist. 

It's just your opinion. It's just something you don't like. It's just a preference. But the only way there can be a standard that all humanity is obligated to obey is if there is a God whose nature is good and who has said that we needed to obey that nature, otherwise we were immoral or wrong or unjust. You see, in order to say something's unjust, you have to know what justice is. In order to know what – in order to say something's immoral, you have to know what morality is. 

In order to say someone's not right, you have to know what right is. But those things only exist in a theistic world. They don't exist in an atheistic world where we're all just moist robots dancing to our DNA, as Richard Dawkins put it. And so evil is a big stone in the shoe of non -believers. Evil doesn't disprove Christianity. Evil doesn't disprove God. 

In fact, Christianity is the answer to the problem of evil. There'd be no reason for Jesus to be evil. if evil didn't exist. That's why he came. So evil is a big stone in the shoe. What you mentioned earlier is a big stone in the shoe. 

When people say self -defeating things, you know, when they say there's no truth and you ask them, is that true? Or when they say you ought not judge and then you say to them, then why are you judging me for judging? You know, these are self -defeating statements. When they say there are no absolutes and you say, are you absolutely sure? When they say all truth is relative and you say, is that a relative truth? When they say you can't know anything and you say, then how can you know that? 

You see, there's so many illogical things uttered by people on the left that once you unveil the law of non -contradiction on them, they suddenly go – they get all befuddled, and you know what they wind up doing? They don't argue. They wind up emoting, and that's what Antifa does. They can't argue for their position. 

It's wrong. 

It's indefensible. 

So what do they do? They emote. That's all it is. It's just rage. Yeah. Dr. Frank Turek, crossexamine . 

org is the website. 

I want to talk about some of the curriculum that I've since been doing in a moment at the website. Crossexamine . 

org, buy his book, Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. 

By the way, moist robots, are those your words or his words? 

Are those actual Dawkins words? 

Moist robots? Moist robots is my word. Okay, that's your assessment. Yeah. His phrase is dancing to our DNA. Okay. 

Yeah. So we're just like, Just like our chemicals in our brain and the DNA, either one of those are bleak. That's like a bleak worldview. That's so sad. But on the evil point, I'm channeling Bill Maher and people like Bill Maher. 

Two things he'll say. Let me get your first one. 

You say he's good. How can we know evil if we don't know good? 

and God is good? 

Okay. 

He's also corrupt and petty and vicious and cruel. 

What do you say to that? Yeah. I would ask by what standard? 

By what moral standard are you saying those things? My standard. I think it's bad to kill all this giant group of people, which God did. If there's no God, that's just your opinion. Okay. Why is that wrong? 

Because I say it's wrong. Can't I just say it's wrong? What's wrong with that? Yeah, it's just your subjective opinion. It's like saying, I like chocolate, vanilla, and you like, or I like chocolate ice cream and you like vanilla ice cream. Okay, it's just a preference. 

But he doesn't act like it's a preference. You see, he has to steal a standard from God in order to argue against him. That's another book I wrote called Stealing from God, like atheists need God to make their case, okay? You have to steal a standard to say God is immoral. 

Now it turns out when you read the Bible and you see God judging people for evil, that's really what's going on. 

And God has the right to take people out whenever He wants. Look, we don't have the right to do that, but if God wants certain people to be judged now and move from this life into the next life, that's up to Him. You know, if Christianity is true, people don't die, they just change location. They go from this life to the next life. That's up to God, not up to us. So, look, let me say something about Bill Maher. 

I've been on the show years ago, a few times. I think Bill Maher makes more sense than most pastors, many times. Say more. 

He will talk on these issues where pastors won't, like transgenderism. Maher's all over it. He's going, this is crazy. He said, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a pirate. 

Thank God nobody took me seriously and took me for eye removal and peg leg surgery. You know, I mean, Maher gets many things right, even though he's an atheist. He still has. the standard of good on his heart written there by God, as Paul says in Romans chapter 2, the Gentiles and I have the law of the world written on their hearts, so he gets many things right. He just has no way of justifying what right is unless God exists. What's the best atheist argument to that? 

The Sam Harris, what's the Sam Harris argument to what you just said? How do they steal man? Can you steal? Sam Harris's argument is, well, what's right is human flourishing. And we might agree with Sam. Right. 

But what he's confusing is a couple of things. First thing, he has no standard by which to say humans should flourish. He's smuggling in a moral law in order to say that. Right. Why human beings? Why not dolphins? 

Why not roaches? Why not? And which human beings? Why us and not the Nazis? You know, who should flourish? So he's smuggling a moral standard into a system And secondly, he's confusing two things that many atheists confuse. 

They might say something like, hey, Mike, I know right from wrong. I don't need your God. We're not talking about knowing right and wrong. That's epistemology. That's how you know something. 

We're talking about the standard of morality itself. 

Why does that exist? That's not epistemology. That's ontology. 

And they're confusing epistemology, how you know something, with ontology, the existence of the thing you know. You know, you can drive down the street and see the speed limit 70 miles an hour and deny there's a traffic authority, right? You can know the speed limit and still deny that there's a traffic authority, but there would be no speed limit to know unless there was a traffic authority. And that's the problem with atheists. They know right from wrong, but they deny the authority that establishes right and wrong, whose nature is right. and wrong, not wrong, but is right, is the standard of right, and any deviation from that would be what's wrong. 

Okay. 

All right. 

That's a brilliant job explaining that to me like I'm in 10th grade. Can you explain that too? Say everything you just said again, like I'm eight years old. 

Like you're eight years old. 

It might be wrong to punch your sister, okay, if mommy exists. 

But if mommy doesn't exist, it's just your sister's opinion against your opinion, right? In other words, there has to be an authority that establishes what good or right is. And so for you to say, or for someone to say it's wrong to punch your sister, there has to be a standard of good that says it's wrong to punch your sister. If it's just your opinion against your sister's opinion, that's just two opinions. It's a preference. Yes. 

Even if you ignore mommy, the example that we used in the, your homeschool curriculum for second to fifth graders that we did last night was literally, if your mom says clean your room and you ignore her, she still said it. Whether you, whether you pretended to, whether you, you still heard it. Like you can, you can pretend like you didn't, but you did and your room still needs to be cleaned. Yep. Yeah. You can, you can know something is wrong and not do it, obviously. 

But something wouldn't really be wrong unless there was a standard of right that you could define wrong by. Because you see, evil is not a thing in itself, it's a lack and a good thing. So evil is like cancer. If you take all the cancer out of a good body, you have a better body. What happens if you take all the body out of the cancer? You got nothing, doesn't exist. 

Or evil is like rust in a car. If you take all the rust out of a car, you have a better car, but if you take all the car out of the rust, you got a pinto. Now, you got something that doesn't exist, right? In other words, evil is a lack in a good thing. Evil is what we might call anti -creation. God creates good things. 

God created Charlie Kirk, and Tyler Robinson did evil by destroying the good thing that God had created. Now, Charlie Kirk still exists, but his body has been destroyed. He still exists, he's absent from the body present with the Lord, But the bad thing that was done was anti -creation. God creates good things and human beings degrade those good things, and that's what evil is. It's anti -creation. I got one more apologetist question. 

Bill Maher would ask this too. He calls all the stories comically stupid. Floating hands on walls, people turning into salt, all the animals on a boat. Come on, Frank. Talking donkeys. 

Yeah, well, the only reason he thinks that is because he's an anti -supernaturalist. 

He thinks that only natural things can occur, but what he's missing is that this whole natural world was created to begin with and is sustained right now. The natural laws that are governing the universe right now were put there by a lawgiver, and they're sustained by a lawgiver. And they're not even the greatest miracles in the Bible. The greatest miracle in the Bible is the first verse, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. If that verse is true, Mike, every other verse in the Bible is at least possible. And now even atheists are admitting the evidence for the first verse. 

They're admitting the universe had a beginning. Of course, they don't think it's God, but what else could it be? 

If space, time, and matter had a beginning out of nothing, whatever created the universe has to at least be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful to create the universe out of nothing, personal in order to choose to create, and intelligent to have a mind to make a choice. 

So he's asked people, when you think about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal, intelligent cause, who do you think of? God. That's what we call God, okay? So if Genesis 1 -1 is true, if even atheists are admitting the evidence for that verse, then every other verse in the Bible is at least possible. 

Of course it's crazy by natural laws, but we're not saying a natural law caused you know, a hand to write on the wall or Jesus to walk on water or rise from the dead. 

We're not we're not saying you need natural law to even recognize what a miracle is. You know, you wouldn't be able to recognize that hands don't normally write on walls, you know, without a without an arm. You know, you wouldn't normally recognize that a man walks on water unless natural laws existed. You know, you wouldn't recognize you couldn't determine what a miracle was or discover what a miracle was. unless you had these natural laws that did the same thing over and over again, because miracles are an exception to those things. 

Who made God? No one made God, because He is the unmade maker. You don't ask who created the uncreated creator. We just mentioned that God is timeless. If you're timeless, do you have a beginning? No. 

No, you don't have a beginning, you don't have a cause. He is the uncaused first cause. And there has to be an uncaused first cause, otherwise nothing would exist. So it's either the universe is something outside the universe, but all the evidence shows the universe had a beginning, therefore it must be something outside the universe that is the uncaused first cause. Dr. Frank Turk, let me again give the pitch for your book, one of your books, I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. 

There's a few more. But I also got to commend you and co -author on the curriculum. So since last time we talked, I immediately bought the second to fifth grade student workbook. And we've been going through it with the kids. We go through it sometimes in the morning or dinnertime or in bed and we just roll through it. It is phenomenal. 

It is so good. The kids are so tracking with it. Dr. Turk, it's like case study, perfect tracking. They'll read it and then they'll ask a question. And it's literally the next part of the thing. 

It's perfectly outlined. I cannot give it, it could not be better. the way it's written and how it's written and the flow of it and the building on top of it. It's just perfection. And every single person with a second to fifth grader, Johnny's Johnny's in kindergarten. He gets it. 

So you can go, you can go below kindergarten to fifth grade. I would say, get that one. I can't vouch for the sixth, eighth or high school. I'm sure it's just as good, but I can only give you the highest approval for everyone listening to get the, uh, at least the very first second to fifth grade, uh, curriculum. How did you guys develop? I think it's called. 

Yes, God, it's real. It's on our website. Cross examine .org. 

Just click on store. You'll find it. Yeah. 

Go get it. Everyone get, I'm not kidding. You got to get that. And then if you're an adult, Start with five copies of I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. 

Might as well get ten, because you'll read it and then you'll give out a bunch to everyone else. 

Dr. Turek, keep up the wonderful work. 

Are you slowing down? Are you going to stop at all? Getting tired? Getting old? Well, University of Alabama tonight, Boise State next week. We'll get a little break over Thanksgiving, but yeah, it's been tiring, but we got to move forward. 

Hearts are tender, Mike. That's what we're doing. Crossexamined . org, Dr. Frank Turek. Dr. Turek, thank you for your time today. Thank 

Thank you, Mike. Appreciate it, God bless. Crossexamined . org, and I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. I'm not exaggerating when I talk about the book. You buy 10 of them, just buy 10 of them, you'll hand them all out. 

And we've had a wonderful time. Truly, it's been a joy reading through his homeschool curriculum because the kids, I'm not, I'm not, whatever I said there is 100 % true. I'll be reading something and the kids will ask a question. And I'll do the best I can to answer it. And then it's the very next paragraph in the curriculum is explaining the question that they just asked. It's so logically and perfectly outlined. 

And the kids get it and they're excited about it. They're excited that they get it. It's really, really good. Crossexamine . org is the website. A lot of information there to click around on and get the resources you need to help you work. 

Mike Slater . locals . com for the transcript and no commercials.

 

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Capitalism and Titus 3
Politics By Faith, November 11, 2025

John Adams said the Constitution is only for a moral and religious people. I believe the same is true of Capitalism, and the further we get away from our Christian roots, the more everything crumbles.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thank you for being here. I want to talk about Titus in this episode, mostly because no one ever quotes Titus, but it's in there. It's a book of the Bible. I mentioned it on the show today. It all started with last week talking about capitalism. 

And I made the claim, we all know the John Adams quote, where he said, our constitution is only for a moral and religious people. He was writing a letter to the Massachusetts militia. He said, while our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many other parts of the world, while she continues sincere and incapable of insidious and impious policy, if we continue to be good, then we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep, simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practicing iniquity and extravagance. So we say one thing, but we do another. And displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapin and insolence. 

Rapin is stealing stuff, I think. The violent seizure of someone's property. The last line here is where is it going to go? Then this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. That its avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. 

There's no government in the world, John Adams said, that can stop people from being greedy, ambitious, all the rest. Those sins, those vices, would break through a Constitution like a whale goes through a net. And that's when John Adams says our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. One of the all -time great quotes. And I made the claim that just like that is true, capitalism is also only made for a moral and religious people. 

And we had a fine conversation on the SiriusXM show. We had a bunch of Ayn Rand capitalists call in and say, no, capitalism is the moral system. I was making the claim that no, capitalism is a tool. Who is using the tool? That's the question. On today's show, I talked about how this government shutdown, which is coming to an end now, it really revealed a lot of problems with our country. 

Just like COVID, COVID revealed a lot of problems with our country too. We didn't do anything about them. I fear we're not going to do anything about the problems that were revealed now, but we live in a country apparently with 42 million people on food stamps. That's not good. We also live in a country where a good percentage of it, good percentage of the people here can't survive missing one or two paychecks. I remember growing up, I was told two things about money, one directly from my mom. 

She would say a credit card is only for a moral and religious people. No, she would say, well, kind of, but she'd say, you got to pay the credit card off. You must always, I didn't even know what a credit card was. Like she would tell me this when I was like five. She said, you have to pay off the credit card. Always and only pay off the credit card. 

I didn't, I literally did not know what that meant, but it was drilled into me. My mom drilled that into me. I really don't remember my parents saying anything else about money. I'm sure they did, but I don't remember any of the lessons as starkly as I remember that one. Pay off your credit card every single month. So I've always done that. And I just remember through osmosis hearing that you should have three to six month emergency fund. 

I remember hearing stuff like, you should save 10 % of your paycheck. I just remember hearing these things growing up, and not many people do that. 47 % of Americans have a three month savings. 47%, 53 % of Americans, now a majority, have $1 ,000 or less in savings. Now I'm not judging. Well, I am judging, this is bad. 

But I'm not judgmental, because I could be one of those people too. I thought of Romans, excuse me, Titus three, because I was teaching in school, and church, Sunday school. I'm honored to be asked to teach through Romans with another gentleman in church. So we alternate. And I did Romans 13 last week. Obey the government. 

That one. I should have recorded him. Put him here. Sorry, I forgot to do that. But I had a section about how we need to pray for our leaders. And I quoted Titus three. 

Here's what Paul wrote to Titus. He said, remind them that your church. Who is that? Who is that? 

Jamie. 

Hey, buddy boy. 

What do you got? 

You got what? 

Of what? That's a necklace. That is so cool. 

I love it. 

What's on it? 

Oh, not a leaf. 

It comes from a bird. What is it? 

No, it's not a bird. It's a feather on a bird, you boy, you. You wanna go play ball? Okay, can I be there in a few minutes? Wanna play what? 

In a goal? 

Okay, you wanna drive and go where Jack Socker is. Okay, I love you. Hey, in like 10 minutes, we gotta go get Jack and Grace and John, okay? Okay, love you, buddy boy. There goes James, now a three -year -old. Titus three, remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient. 

I don't like that. 

To be ready. For every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, to show perfect courtesy towards all people. Why? Because I don't like any of that stuff. We're America. We rebel. 

So why should we be submissive to rulers and authorities? No. Here's why. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But When the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us. Not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior. 

So that being justified by his grace, we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. I love that so much. He's saying we need to pray for our leaders because that as wicked as they are, that was us. That was us before we were saved. And it would be us if Jesus didn't save us. So now that we are saved, we have to pray for our leaders. 

We have to pray that they are saved too. And I think about this with people who are bad with money. I could very easily be bad with money. I'm not bad with money because I'm cheap. I'm just naturally cheap. Just don't spend money because I'm cheap. 

So when 53 % of Americans have $1 ,000 or less, and a lot of that is because, I don't know what percentage of people, it's because of just bad financial decisions. Just bad, horrible financial decisions. I listen to enough Dave Ramsey. You have people call in, make $100, $200 ,000 a year, and they're in debt. Bad financial decisions. I saw this clip of the show Financial Audit. 

People go in and they show the guy there. They go through their finances and the guy yells at him. It's like an extreme Dave Ramsey because they get yelled at. This guy works for, he does DoorDash. He's got two kids, two kids and a wife. He does DoorDash. 

He will DoorDash to his car as he's DoorDashing. DoorDash costs $10. I remember I looked at when DoorDash first came out years ago, I looked at it, I was like, Oh, okay. I don't really like food delivery because it's cold. So it doesn't, but I looked at it, I was like, Oh, what's this about? It was 10, I forget what it was, but it was so much money. 

I was like, that's ridiculous. I'm never going to have this delivered. Like what's the point of that? Cause I'm cheap. And I just looked it up because it came up through the day on the show, $10 to have your food delivered. And then it's another 75 cents per mile beyond five miles. 

So like you could have, you could buy a $10 hamburger, and then you get a cold hamburger and it ends up costing you $30. 

What in the world? So this guy's out door dashing and he's so lazy that he has door dash, door dash, to his car. And he admitted that it costs him two hours of work to pay for the DoorDash. Okay, that's a bad financial decision. That's not, that's not, oh, poor him. 

Oh, he's so poverty stricken. No, that's just an idiot making terrible decisions about money. That could be me. So we need to help people who make bad decisions. I have sympathy for people who make bad decisions. That could be me. I just happen to be cheap. 

Until I wasn't, that doesn't mean I was good with money. I was cheap. That doesn't mean I'm good with money. And I wasn't good with money until I was saved by a financial advisor. This is not to excuse people for their foolish behavior. I like explainers. 

I don't like excuses, but we all have to do better. We all have to do better. I am. I'm happy to blame all sorts of things. I will blame illegal aliens. I'll blame TikTok. 

I'll blame China. I'll blame Mexican drug cartels. I'll blame the United Nations. I'll blame Joe Biden. I'll blame Obama. I'll blame Nancy Pelosi. 

I'll blame Satan himself. I'm happy to blame all sorts of people and all sorts of forces for problems in America. But we also have to put a healthy dose of blame on ourselves. Capitalism is made only for a moral and religious people. It's true for the customers in a capitalist system. It's true for the producers in a capitalist system. 

It's true for the business owners. And it's proof once again that if we really want to save this country, if we deeply, profoundly actually want to save this country, it cannot be done just by winning an election. It cannot be done just by increasing our GDP. It cannot be done by any secular means. And there can be good secular things that we should and must do. 

But this country can only be saved if we, individuals, become moral and religious people. And of course, John Adams was talking about Christianity when he said, religious, the most important and only reason to save souls. is for its own sake. So people, souls go to heaven for all of eternity. That's why we need to spread the gospel and save souls. It just so happens that a nice side effect of that happening is we live in a much better country. 

And that's a nice, noble goal as well. So in conclusion, capitalism is only for a moral and religious people. Thanks for listening to the podcast. MikeSlater . Locals . com is the website I have for the transcript and also no commercials over there. 

 

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