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The Differences Between Trump and Biden Voters
Politics By Faith, June 11, 2024
June 11, 2024

Pew Research released a study on the drastic difference in the worldviews of Trump and Biden voters. Two questions in particular showed the root of our problems in America. And it all goes back to Genesis 11.


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You can just email me personally too. Some numbers came out from Pew Research and the media took it all in one direction. I want to take it in a totally different direction because that's what we do here. But real quick, just so you know

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how other people are talking about it. It's framed as here are these social issues. Here's where Biden voters stand on them. Here's where Trump voters stand on them. There's a huge difference between the two, and we're two different countries living on two different planets.

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That's fine, and I think that's right. Let me go over just one of the issues. Gun ownership is one of the questions. Gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. That's one of the questions.

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Only 23% of Biden voters agree with that. 86% of Trump voters agree with that. So we have a very different view on the Second Amendment. Pretty important was number two, our founders put it as number two on the list. It wasn't like an add-on, tack-on at the end. Number two in the original list of ten and 23% of Biden voters like no, gun ownership bad, and 86% of Trump supporters say it's good.

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Weird that the 14% don't, but alas. There were about eight questions like that that I would classify as some sort of social issue. But there are two that have gotten no attention that I think were the most important two questions and I think get to the root of all these other issues

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that are addressed here. The other questions are about symptoms. I want to get to the diagnosis of the actual illness. Henry David Thoreau, thousands hacking at the branches of evil for one who's striking the root. Now, two of these questions get to the root, but no one's talking about.

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One of the question is, religion should be kept separate from government policies. 86% of Biden voters say yes, religion should be kept separate from government policies. They fell for the whole separation of church and state lie. Now, by religion, of course, they mean Christianity. That's what people are interpreting that as okay so 86% of Biden voters say religion should be kept

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separate from government policy okay 56% of Trump voters agree with that okay so that's actually pretty close those two people that's not going to work but Let's get to just the question itself. If you don't fill this space that we call government, society, our culture, our country, if you don't fill this space with the religion, it will be filled with a religion. Do you know what I mean?

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It was filled with Christianity and then we left it. We just left the space and it's been filled with progressivism and really secular humanism, which I'll explain in just a second. And it was all done with this whole separation of church and state hoax. Like Christians had this space and then progressives came in, atheists came in, secular humanists came in and said, you know, this is a public space. Religion's not allowed in here. Look, separation of church and state. And a

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bunch of weak Christians were like, oh wow, I guess you're right. Sorry about that. And the pagans were like I can't believe that worked that's all we had to do we to show them a completely out of context letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to some guy and they all the

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Christians just walked away and they just just waltz straight in the program the the pagan secular humanists just walked for a while and took over every part of our culture and then of course we see all the problems that have

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come from that which we'll get to in a second. But I mentioned secular humanism. What is this? Actually, someone called into the show and mentioned that. I was just mentioning, I just said progressivism, but someone called in and said it's secular humanism.

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So what is secular humanism? Okay, here's 10 worldview beliefs of a secular humanist pagan. James Fowler came up with this list. Number one, man is autonomous and independent. It's me. I'm autonomous.

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I do what I want. I'm independent and free. Number two, man is his own center of reference. Number three, man is self-generative and self-sufficient. Number four, man has the potential to do anything he sets his mind to. Number five, man is the cause of his own effects.

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Number six, man is the source of his own activity. Number seven, man has a free will to choose anything he desires. Number eight, man is innately good. Number nine, man is the subject and object of his own world. Number ten, man is the solution to his own problems. I lied, I got two more.

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Number 11, man deserves to indulge in personal aspirations, personal gratifications, and personal reputation, which is 1 John 2.16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father, but is of this world. And finally, man is his own God. You see this everywhere.

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This is the culture we live in today. Christians left the cultural spaces and the secular humanists walked right in. That's why you have entire sections of bookstores called self-help. This is why you have a self-esteem movement. This is why you have the transgender movement. This is why you have the gay marriage. It all comes down to this. So I don't just on this again this religion question.

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Religion should be kept separate from government policies. It's one thing for the pagans to say yes to that. I'm more concerned about the 56% of Trump voters. Come on, people.

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Let's get it together.

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Let's see the importance of this. But it's a secular humanist world, which is, oh, you know, everyone, who am I to say everyone can do whatever works best for them. Okay well should we be allowed to kill people? Christianity says no. Islam says well are they gay? Is it a girl who dishonored her family? If so then you should be able to murder. In China you can't murder unless it's a girl. If it's a baby girl then you

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can. But our country has always said no to murder except for if you don't want the baby, then it's not really murder. Yes, we need religion back in politics, back in government, back in our culture, first and foremost, and then the politics will follow. Alright, now check out this question. voters who say, so the question is, is society better off if people make marriage and having children a priority? Is society better off if people make marriage and having children a priority?

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Now, to be clear, the question isn't, is it a priority for you? You may not want kids. You may not have kids. You may not want to get married. Like Paul, you don't want to get married.

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That's fine.

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No problem. But the question wasn't, are you better off, which may be up to different circumstances, sure. Is society better off? Just in general, should we generally, culturally, big picture, have, make marriage and having children a priority? And 81% of Biden voters say no. Like, just, just like, definitionally, you can't have a society if you don't have children.

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Society, the word society literally means fellowship with others. You can't, this is such a sign that we're so far off, we're just not, we're in a really, really bad place when such a vast, vast majority of Biden voters don't think that marriage and having children is good. I guess the next step is they'll say it's bad, you shouldn't. For a while, monogamy was important, and then it turned into, monogamy is not for everyone. And now I guess it's, monogamy should be for no one. Outlaw marriage. So those are the Biden voters. What about the Trump supporters? 59%.

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Sorry, did we understand the question? Is society better off if people make marriage and having children a priority? And only 59% of Trump voters said yes. Wow. We're in a bad place here. So the point I made on the radio is it's one thing to have some chipped paint in your house. Maybe I do some grout work. Okay. Maybe vacuum the carpets, do a little Marie Kondo in the closet, something like that. That's fine. But when you got termites or you got some major structural damage, or your well water is full of lead, it's causing brain damage.

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We got some big problems here, and I think that's where we are right now, where even Trump voters, or conservatives, are, eh, marriage, kids, I don't know, I don't think it's that important. Whoa, whoa, whoa, there may be lead in the water that's causing us, it's like we're being poisoned. And we have been poisoned, we've been poisoned by Marxism.

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Linda Gordon, I could share many, many quotes, but Linda Gordon was an intellectual from Yale. She said, the nuclear family must be destroyed. The breakup of families is now an objectively revolutionary process. She was a feminist, so she came up from that perspective.

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No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibility to children. So this was, well, we talked about the radio and I just happened, so I prepared a segment about this yesterday afternoon, I just so happened this morning, before the show to read this sermon

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from Martin Lloyd-Jones about the Tower of Babel which of course ties in perfectly because it's the Bible and Genesis is all about life. I love this, this is such a great line I'm just going to share a bunch of lines from this. I love this.

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Far from being remote from life, Genesis is the only book that really does deal with life as it is.

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It's so good.

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What a great perhaps the opposite is true. That's one of the mottos of the show is perhaps the opposite is true. People will be like, oh, they'll say the Bible in general, but Genesis, that has nothing to do with us. That's a long time ago and irrelevant, just a bunch of made up silly stories and here's Martin Lloyd-Jones saying, no, no, far from being like having nothing to do with life, there's no book that has more to do with life and can more explain

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why the world is the way it is than this book right here. So we had a caller call and he said, you know, Slater, we're dealing with the symptoms and not getting to the root of these issues. And I agree. And here's what Martin Lloyd-Jones says. He says I'm assuming that no one is foolish enough to say that diagnosis does not

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matter like the root that all we need is a little relief. It's nothing but sheer lunacy to medicate symptoms only to give temporary passing relief and yet ignore the disease that is causing the symptoms. That is a thoroughly dishonest thing to do. There are people who say oh I can't be bothered about causes and explanations all I know is that I'm in trouble and want relief. Those who say that are the kind of people who make the complete round of all the cults and all the rival philosophies

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and teachings, only to be disappointed by one after the other. The butterfly attitude towards life is always fatal. No, no, the essence of wisdom is to discover the cause of the problems. And whether we like it or not, the Bible always emphasizes that. The cause, what's the root? So we're talking about the Tower of Babel, Genesis 11, 3, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar.

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So back in Israel they had stones, but where they were now, they did not. So they had to make bricks. And they made bricks by observing. Observing. They saw what happened with the clay and when the clay got wet and then it hit the Sun and it got hard. So they figured out, they learned how to make bricks. It's amazing

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what humans are capable of when we observe. This is true with the invention of vaccinations. There was a guy, Edward Jenner, he noticed that people who milked cows did not get smallpox as frequently as other people got smallpox. He's like, huh, that's weird. What's going on with that? And he observed that the people who are milking cows, they, from their hands, would get cowpox. And he's like, I wonder if because they got this small amount of cowpox, if this is helping them prevent, preventing them from getting a full-blown infection of smallpox.

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So he found a bunch of people that have never had smallpox and he gave them a little bit of cowpox in their hands and those people sure enough did not get smallpox. That was the beginning of vaccination. And these men did the same thing when they were looking at what happens when the sun hardens clay. And they're like, oh, we can make our own stones. We don't just naturally have stones, if we used to, we'd just make them our own. Let me quote from Lloyd-Jones,

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This ought to be a perfect world, what a wonderful creature man is! Nothing should ever go wrong in a world inhabited by such people, people who are capable of such tremendous observations, inductions, experiments, and inventions. Such creatures ought to know how to manage their world and themselves to perfection. They should have a world entirely free from trouble.

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And that is what the secular humanists truly believe. That's why you have these people who believe in technology. They think technology will save us. They think technology can help us live forever. They believe in utopia. And this is a technology.

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Making bricks is just a technology. Just like the technologies today. People think that that will save us. But it won't. It never does. Sure, maybe we can observe certain things and come up with different inventions,

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but this doesn't help us figure out how to live with ourselves or with others. Because the problem is we're living apart from God. And that was the root of the problem with these people right here. I mean, look, this was right after the flood. Here's what the Bible says, And God blessed...

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They disobeyed God right from the beginning, these people. And God blessed Noah and his sons and said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth. That's in Genesis 9.1. So God wanted these people to replenish the earth and to fill it, but they didn't do that.

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They didn't scatter around. They said, We're going to build a city. Go, let us build a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven, and let us make us a name, let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." God told them to go and replenish the earth.

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And they said, we don't want to. They wanted to live a self-sufficient life, one without God. They didn't need it. They were the secular humanists of their day. We don't need God. We can build a tower to heaven ourselves.

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They believed in the development of man, and they thought it would bring glory to them. Let me quote from Lloyd-Jones. Oh, here's the line that I love so much. Then they, because this is just today, this is in, then they said, come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves.

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Lloyd-Jones says, marvelous, isn't it? Here is your city and the latest propaganda and advertising and it's all absolutely perfect. Do it, build it, advertise it, get the headlines and the signs so that everybody will see and stand in admiration and wonder. Man, there is no limit to him. He can build a tower to heaven if there is a God in heaven. While man can put a ladder that will take him there, he will build his city in such a way that it will not only encompass the earth, but also the heavens.

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Nothing is impossible. No longer glory to God in the highest, but glory to man in the highest. No height is too great for him. He has it in him to get anywhere. Nothing can stop him. Inventions, discoveries, progress, harnessing the forces of nature, splitting the atom, nothing can ever frustrate human beings or put a limit or a ceiling on their greatness, and they know it. There's no doubt about it. They said, very well, let's prove that we can do it. And we'll write our names all over it.

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We'll bow down and worship ourselves and our greatness and uniqueness. That is secular humanism. That is the people who built the Tower of Babel. That is us today in the United States of America. You want to know why we have all these problems today in America? There's the root of it right there.

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We can stop here.

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We'll do more of this tomorrow. But what's our, we're going to conclude, what do we do instead? I always want to end on a good note, like, all right, this is bad. Secular humanism bad. What do we do now? I think the mission for today is to be aware of these secular humanist thoughts that you

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and I have today that are sort of running in the background. We may not even know it, and to see it all coming at us from every other direction as well. The idea that you're the center of the universe, you're the center of what is good, you have the potential to do anything you set your mind to,

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you are the source of all things, you are, man is innately good, you're the solution to all the problems that you deserve to indulge in whatever personal gratification that you want, and that man is his own God.

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You'll see it everywhere. When you find an example that you didn't expect, I'd love to know what it is. You can find my email on the website, MikeSlater.Locals.com. It's where we put all of these episodes with the transcript and commercial free as well. MikeSlater.Locals.com is my website. MikeSlater.Locals.com is my website. Please, my email is on the SlaterRadio at gmail.com.

 

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Thank God they did. 22 enemy soldiers were killed, 98 wounded. The Americans captured a thousand prisoners. Only three Americans were killed in the Battle of Trenton, thanks to George Washington's crossing of the Delaware. And this was the turning point. It should not have worked. 

Conditions couldn't have been worse. They fought through a Nor 'easter. Thomas Paine published his first essay on December 19th, 1776 in Philadelphia. It was read to George Washington's troops on December 23rd, 1776. Right before, on Christmas Day, they crossed the Delaware. These are the times that try men's souls. 

The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country. But he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. Let's go to Revelation 6, which Thomas Paine knew intimately enough to reference as an offhand imagery, and that the American people and the people fighting, crossing that Delaware, knew so well that it was powerful and meaningful to them. Revelation 6 is about the six seals on the white horse, red horse, black horse, pale horse. 

Then we finally get to the fifth. Let me quote here. When he, Jesus, opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? Then a white robe was given to each of them, and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. When all the martyrs are made, God will set it right. 

Then the sixth season began. This is the one that Thomas Paine was referencing. I looked when he opened Jesus opened the sixth seal and behold there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair and the moon became like blood and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as a fig tree drops its late figs when it's shaken by a mighty wind then the sky receded as a scroll when it's opened up and every mountain island was moved out of its place and here it is the kings of the earth The great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains. 

Okay. 

They hid themselves and said, let me go back to Thomas Paine. He said, I conceive likewise, a horrid idea and receiving mercy from a being who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him. Here's revelation 616. So everyone, great men, mighty men, commanders, kings of the earth. They shall hide in the caves and rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb for the great day of his wrath has come. And who is able to stand all the mighty Kings, all the great men, everyone brought low. 

It's so bad. They're begging the rocks to fall on them and crush them and kill them rather than face God or in this case, the wrath of the lamb. And that's the final point I want to make here. coming up on Christmas. The wrath of the lamb in Revelation 6. The lamb we think of as the gentle lamb, the baby who we are. 

celebrating coming to earth, Emmanuel, God with us, right? Maybe you'll see some Christmas plays or whatever. That's a little baby, right? This innocent little precious baby, the gentle lamb. Well, his judgment in Revelation 6 is so dreadful that all the mighty kings and great strong men will plead to die, plead to be crushed by rocks rather than face him. So let us celebrate first George Washington and the men who crossed the Delaware. 

Coming up here on the 249th anniversary of that, let us celebrate Jesus as a baby. And also let us know that the wrath of the lamb will happen. Let's not be the people begging to be crushed by rocks rather than face him. We should be people who run to Jesus as a place of refuge, not people who run to caves, begging to be crushed to death. I'll end here. Could go on forever about this. 

Go to Revelation 16. This is the pouring out of the bowls. And this is the third, the third angel poured out the bowl on the rivers and springs of water and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters saying, you are righteous. So Lord, so you're thinking you hear all these, this wrath and it's horrible and awful. And here's, here's an angel saying you are righteous. 

So Lord, the one who is and who was and who is to be, because you have judged these things for, they have shed the blood of saints and prophets and you have given them blood to drink. So that's their punishment. They shed the blood. Their punishment is they have to drink the blood for it is their due. And I heard from. I heard another from the altar saying, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous 

are your judgments. Even in the midst of what we may look at today and think horrible, rough, whatever. From our perspective, God is good. God is good. His punishments are fair and appropriate and just. So repent, run to him, make him Lord of your life. 

Merry Christmas. Mike Slater, not your normal Christmas message. MikeSlater . Locals . com. Transcript commercial free. It's all on that website. MikeSlater .

 

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An Appeal To Heaven, Rob Reiner
Politics By Faith, December 16, 2025

Two topics on today's podcast: I love when the Appeal To Heaven flag returns to the news. Also, too many families know what the Reiner family went through with an addict son.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thanks for being here. I want to talk about Rob Reiner in a moment. Let me get this out off my chest first. Every once in a while, this flag comes up in the news and it's great when it does. The latest is a USA Today report. 

The congressional reporter at USA Today found a Christian nationalist flag. In his words, a controversial Christian nationalist flag. This one hanging outside the DC office of a top education department official. This USA Today reporter is very upset because this is the flag that was raised by rioters during the January 6th insurrection. Don't remember it there, but I'm sure someone had the flag. It's the same flag that flew at Sam Alito's house. 

Unbelievable. 

It's the Appeal to Heaven flag. It's a white flag with a tree in the middle and in black letters on the top it says Appeal to Heaven. Now this USA Today reporter, after being roundly criticized online, deleted the tweet and he wrote back, this flag is more accurately described as quote, a symbol associated with Christian nationalism. Why? Because when you call it a Christian nationalist flag, it makes it sound like the January Sixers made it up a couple of years ago. It's a brand new flag that they just made up themselves. 

The appeal to heaven flag was commissioned by George Washington. The tree, the pine tree in the middle was a symbol of new England. It's a symbol of, uh, well, it's a symbol of tyranny too, because the colonists, There were all these regulations that the crown put on the colonies of harvesting our own timber. The King's officials would come by and they would mark the best pine trees. It was an Eastern white pine. They'd mark the best pine trees for the King's Royal Navy, but they were our trees. 

and we wanted to use them for our boats. So the pine tree became a symbol of resistance and a symbol of independence and a symbol of our Navy, the boats, our boats that we'd use the trees for. There was also something called the Pine Tree Riot in New Hampshire in 1772. So that's the pine tree. The appeal to heaven comes from John Locke on his second treatise of government. And his point was that if you don't have anyone else to appeal to, in our case, appealing for freedom, then your ultimate appeal comes from heaven. 

He wrote, sufferers who have no, who having no appeal on earth to write them, they are left to the only remedy in which cases, in such cases, an appeal to heaven. And he quotes judges 1127, which says, you go a little bit back actually. Therefore, I have not sinned against you, but you wronged me by fighting against me. May the Lord, the judge. render judgment this day between the children of Israel and the people of Amman. So we have lacking a human court. 

The Jephthah must appeal directly to God and appeal to heaven. I love this story and I love when this flag pops up every once in a while because it highlights a few realities. One, that people have no idea about our history. That's sad. We should all know this flag. Everyone should be intimately aware of what this flag is. 

Second, how ignorant people are about our Christian roots and our Christian founding. where they see this flag and appeal to heaven and they're like, Oh, that must be some crazy evangelical Christian nationalism. George Washington, okay, appeal to heaven. George Washington commissioned the flag. John Locke wrote about it. And to prove how far we have to go still, that flag 

and the concept of an appeal to heaven should not be controversial. Go get the flag yourself. Fly it high, fly it proud. All right, let's talk about Rob Reiner and this horrible, tragic story. Rob Reiner's wife murdered by their son with a knife, slit throats, where it's reported. It's worth, as horrible as it is, I think it's worth taking a minute. 

I think it's important to take a minute to consider, to imagine this. And what Rob Reiner must have been thinking, and his wife must have been thinking, one of them saw the other die. They saw their son do it. The fear that... I don't even know. 

I don't even know. 

Just go there for a minute. It's important to do that, I think. It's about as awful as it gets. I don't know if there's a family, obviously. They made a movie together, Rob Reiner and his son, Nick. It's called Being Charlie, about their experience with addiction. 

Nick went to a It's called rehab for the first time when he was 15. He's been 17 times. He's been homeless in many different States before. I've seen three family photos and everyone in the family looks very happy and healthy and rich except for Nick. He's standing there, but he's not there at all. He's not wearing appropriate clothes that everyone else is wearing. 

And his eyes, his eyes are totally spaced out. It's just not, not there. And it's very sad. And I know this is very relatable for a lot of people. of families as well. I don't know enough about addiction. 

I'm just gonna be honest. I'm tangentially connected. I'm in no position to give any advice at all. What is the balance between people, you know, back in the day we used to say, you have a couple screws loose. That was the old expression. And how much of it comes from, like people are born that way versus how much of it is trauma from childhood. 

What the amounts are of each, I don't know. But I do know, and this is going to be next week's or this week's special is Spiritual Warfare is Real. I know it's real, and I know that plays a role. The Bible talks about alcoholism. Talk about nothing new under the sun. It's there. 

Isaiah 5, 1. Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evenings as wine inflames them. Titus 2, 3. Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine, not being a slave to wine. They are to teach what is good. It's a sin. 

And if you're addicted, you are a slave to it. It doesn't end well. Woe to those. Romans 6 20. It says, but when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at the time from the things of which you are now ashamed? 

For the end of those things is death. If you're a slave to sin, what do you get from it? Nothing. The end is death. I don't know how to break addictions other than the same way we break any sin. The only way to break sin, and that's through salvation with a new heart. 

We played the clip the other day of Jelly Roll on Joe Rogan's show, talking about a new heart, a new creation, not a slightly modified heart, not fixed a little bit here or there, a new creation, a new heart. Romans 6 .11 talks about being dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus. It's the only way to do it. My TV producer sent me a note the other day. It's something I'm thinking about a lot lately. Everyone's always like thoughts and prayers. 

You hear it all the time. Whenever there's a tragedy or thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers or thoughts and prayers go with now. Thoughts is the most ridiculous thing ever, but I'm setting my thoughts. I don't even know what that means. Really. It's definitely become an odd trite thing to say thoughts and prayers, but the prayers part is interesting too, because as my producer said, why not just pray right there? 

Thoughts and prayers is essentially a social way of acknowledging a situation, but not actually praying. Notice this in churches a lot too. You'll be seeing people in the hallways of the church and someone will share something. Oh man, I'll pray for you. And then you go on. And how many people actually pray for the person later? 

How often does that happen? Maybe a lot. I don't think so. Not enough. As opposed to, pray right there. Here's my challenge. 

If someone says something to you in church this Sunday, instead of saying, man, I'm going to pray for you about that. How about let's pray right now and just do it. Let's do it right there. No one will think you're weird. That's the place to do it. Now you do it anywhere, but that's a good place too. 

It's not an odd, it shouldn't be out of character to pray in the church building. What may be out of character is to pray on a podcast. Dear Heavenly Father, I want to pray for everyone who's going through addiction right now. Way too many people, God. I want to pray that you can break their addiction, give them a new heart and have the Holy Spirit speak so clearly to them that they can focus on you. and focus on good things. 

God, I pray for peace for families that are going through addiction with family members. God, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything more difficult than that. I pray for peace for them and a clarity, God, that everything will be perfect in heaven. There will be no crying or pain or addiction in heaven, and I can't wait to be there. In Jesus' name we pray, amen. We talk about the Puritans a lot on this show, and they wrote often about how God has limited our comforts here. 

and how that is a blessing so that we don't cling to this life too tightly, but instead we long for what is to come. We long for eternity. Maybe that perspective, if you can relate to what the Reiner family went through for a long time, if you can relate, maybe that perspective can be helpful. That's all I got. mikeslater . locals . com. Transcript commercial free on the website mikeslater .

 

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Sherrone Moore, Christmas, Naphtali and Zebulun
Politics By Faith, December 12, 2025

Your Chriamas service might mention Isaiah 9, calling Jesus the Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace. That's great, but I have never heard the REST of Isaiah 9 quoted. 

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thanks for being here. Quick, before we get to the main portion of today's podcast, I want to mention the Michigan football coach. Still lots of rumors going around. Don't exactly know what happened, but it seems to be a mistress of sorts on the staff, a young woman on staff. He's married. 

He has three kids. He was taken into custody by police in Michigan. A lot of holes to fill in the story, but apparently he was fired. And then he went to this young woman's house with a knife and threatened either to kill her or himself, both, and then she called police and they took him in and he's in protective custody right now. Daryl Harrison, he said, as a pastor friend of mine once said, sin makes you stupid. Adultery is never worth what it will surely cost you in the end. 

Proverbs 5 says, my son, be attentive to my wisdom, incline your ear to my understanding. that you may keep discretion and your lips may guard knowledge, for the lips of a forbidden woman drip honey, and her speech is smoother than oil. But in the end, she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two -edged sword. Her feet go down to death. Her steps follow the path to Sheol. She does not ponder the path of life. 

Her ways wander, and she does not know it. " Harrison said, Sharone Moore, the head coach of Michigan football, is finding that out in real time. Pray for him, his wife, his children, the alleged adulteress, and everyone involved, the situation is as ugly as the sin that caused it. Someone else posted the line, sin will take you farther than you want to go, cost you more than you want to pay and keep you longer than you want to stay. It's amazing that someone can have it all. 

Wife, kids, tons of money, fame, power. You had it all. So you thought. So the world told you, but it wasn't enough. So you sought more. 

Blew it all up. 

Parable. Actually ties in nicely to the ending of Isaiah 9. If you go to a church service coming up here and it's Christmas themed, Isaiah 9, the beginning of Isaiah 9 might come up. This often quoted around Christmas sermon or scripture says, for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulders and his name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Now, if that's all you read out of Isaiah, you might think Isaiah is pretty nice, pretty good little book in the Bible. Alas, if you read all the chapters leading up to that, it's as heavy and dark as could possibly be. 

Praise God that there is this not only a glimmer of hope, but the brightest blinding light of hope that you could ever imagine. But it is this bright because it is amidst the darkness that is the first at least 10 chapters of Isaiah. Let me just quote a couple quick points of Isaiah or moments in Isaiah 1 through 10. I just picked like four random ones. A sinful nation of people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly. The audience, We'll go on. 

Instead of perfume, there will be rottenness. Instead of a belt, a rope. Instead of a well -sealed... baldness. Instead of a rich robe, a skirt of sackcloth. And branding instead of beauty. 

Your men shall fall by the sword and your mighty men in battle. And our gate shall lament and mourn. Empty, she shall sit on the ground. Later on, as the tongue of fire devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in the flame, so their root will be as rottenness and their blossom go up like dust. For they have rejected the law of the Lord of hosts, and have despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against his people, and he stretched out his hand against them and struck them. 

And the mountains quaked, and their corpses were as refuse in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, and his hand is stretched out still. " Later on in that day, every place where there used to be a thousand vines worth a thousand shekels of silver will become briars and thorn. And then the line right before Isaiah 9, what we call Isaiah 9, they will look to the earth, but behold distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish, and they will be thrust into thick darkness. But now we have Isaiah 9, but the gloom will not be upon her who's distressed. As when at first he lightly esteemed the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, we'll get to those in a second, and afterward more heavily oppressed her by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan and Galilee of the Gentiles, The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. 

Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them a light has shined. Let's jump over to Matthew verse 15. Jesus was just baptized. He was immediately tempted by the devil. And the very next section, often titled Jesus Begins His Journey. verse 12, now when he heard that John had been arrested, he withdrew to Galilee, and leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, of all places, so that when was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be, so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled, and he quotes, the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, Isaiah was written about 700 years before Jesus was born. 

Here's what I love about this. Neptali and Zebulun, it was as dark and hopeless as you can imagine, called out in Isaiah as being the darkest of the dark lands. But then Jesus, in the very beginning of his ministry, went to this place. And said what? Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. The people in this region were the first to feel the wrath of the Assyrian invasion on them. 

And they were the first to see the light of the Messiah during his ministry. Now, if I may, a Christmas sermon might stop at the beginning of Isaiah 9 with a very nice sounding Prince of Peace. But if you keep reading, here's how it goes on. The Israelites, unrepentant Israelites. who say in pride and arrogance of heart, the bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild. The sycamores are cut down, but we'll replace them with cedars. 

Therefore the Lord shall set up the adversaries of resin against him and spur his enemies on. The Syrians before and the Philistines behind, and they shall devour Israel with an open mouth. For all this, his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. " This is straight after the old Prince of Peace talk. So the Israelites, ah, who needs God? Oh, fine, sure, maybe an enemy will come and knock us down a little bit, but we'll just rebuild, no big deal. They still refused to humble themselves. John Calvin wrote this over 300 years ago. He said, how many are the distresses with which Europe has been afflicted for 30 or 40 years? How many are the chastisements by which she has been called to repentance? Say the same about America today, right? And yet it does not appear that those numerous chastisements have done any good. On the contrary, luxury increases every day. Lawless passions are inflamed and men go on in crimes and profligacy more shamelessly than ever. What then? shall we expect, but to be bruised with heavier blows." More affliction on our nation doesn't necessarily cause people to repent, could cause people to sin even more. So my goodness, what's the way out? 

There's only one way out, being born again. And only Jesus can give us the new heart. This is the Christian singer Jelly Roll. It's Jelly Roll's real name. I don't like using stage names. I think it's silly. 

Jason DeFord. It says Jason DeFord. Right when he walked on the Joe Rogan set, Joe Rogan says, you're a totally new human being, man. 

And here's how Jason takes it. 

You're a totally new human being. It is, man. You know what's crazy? I don't want to get super spiritual out the gate, but I will, because I think God wants me to right now, because you're saying that. There's a scripture in the Bible that says, in Christ, all things are a new creation, which I thought was interesting, because it didn't talk about restoring the old. It says that in God, we are a completely new creation. 

You know what I mean? So like I was looking at it at first, like I'm restoring my heart. But then when you're saying that, I'm like, no, I didn't restore my heart. I got a whole new heart. 

This is a brand new heart, Joe. 

You know what I mean? Yeah, it might be cloaked as the old one, but God touched it. 

It's a whole new heart, baby. All I can end with is what Jesus told us to do when he was in the land of Zebulun in the land of Naphtali. Repent, repent, repent, and he will give you a new heart. Merry Christmas. Mike Slater dot Locals dot com. Transcript commercial free on the website. Mike Slater dot Locals dot com.

 

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