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Separation of Church and State is a lie.
Politics by Faith, June 20, 2024
June 20, 2024

Don't let anyone get away with this misconception again. Thomas Jefferson did NOT mean that the church will have no influence in government. He meant that the government will have no control over the affairs of the church. We got it completely backward.


Welcome to Politics by Faith, brought to you by the Patriot Gold Group. Thanks for being here. So Louisiana just passed a law that says the Ten Commandments have to be posted in every single classroom in the state, including in colleges. And we'll have to just freak it out. So we did a segment on this on Breitbart News Daily.

I just want to present the whole segment to you here and please arm yourself with these facts and never let anyone, anyone ever get away with saying that separation of church and state was meant or intended to clear all Christian influence out of public life and even out of government life. That is so absurd and I'll hopefully fully and thoroughly debunk it right here. The very short of it. Separation of church and state. It was not meant to keep the church out of government. It was meant to keep the government out of church. Here's the full story about the separation

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of church and state. I want to start off this hour with this though, Louisiana, first state country to mandate that the Ten Commandments be placed in every school classroom. Like it used to be. But I guess it was never mandated in the past. We just did it. Everyone just did it because we were a Christian nation.

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Just as we were founded on. So here's what it says in Louisiana. A poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in large easily readable font that's good you got to put the easy you know someone can like put it in Wingdings like there it is it's just in Wingdings easily readable comic sans in all public classrooms from kindergarten to state-funded universities this is

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great so it's going to be sued into oblivion, of course. And the governor said, I can't wait to be sued. The posters, which will be paired with a four-paragraph context statement describing how the Ten Commandments were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries, must be placed in classrooms by the start of 2025. The posters can't be paid for with state funds.

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So they're getting around one of the one of the arguments is gonna be made so I can only be paid for by donations so what what does each poster cost four dollars maybe like should be like 50 cents but knowing it's the government I'll chip in four bucks for for a poster the law also authorizes but does not require the display of other items in K through 12 schools including the Mayflower Compact, which was signed by the Pilgrims,

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the Board of the Mayflower, often referred to as America's first constitution. That'd be fun to go over. We should talk about that one. The Declaration of Independence, Northwest Ordinance, which established a government in the Northwest Territory

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in present-day Midwest, and created a pathway for admitting new states to the Union. So the court decided this issue back in 1980. And it was in Kentucky. The school was in Kentucky, it was a 5-4 decision that the Ten Commandments served no secular purpose and was only a religious resource and therefore

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constituted a law respecting an establishment of religion. And it's high time we revisit that absurd decision, just like we've revisited many Supreme Court decisions over time. We're now at the 70th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education so that's that's great so we can we can revisit Supreme Court decisions. They're not etched in stone. See what I did there? Zach that was a that was a Ten That's good.

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I just want to make sure you caught it.

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Are you not on our Raw Dog Comedy Channel? Take that, cut that, put that over on Raw Dog Comedy. Hey, you think this is funny? Check out Breitbart News Daily. Comedy like this. So listen, of course this is good.

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If you, and of course this is nothing to freak out about, that's the other thing, if you walk into the House of Representatives, there are 23 marble reliefs of different figures all around the room of different people related to the development of law. And the first one, right over the door when you walk in, so you walk in, if you ever walk into the house of representatives chamber and look up look right behind you There's a relief of the main guy Moses

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There he is that's the guy right there in the halls of Congress So obviously I'm for this and let me tell you why first about it's a first of all It's about high time that Christians go on the offense and stop being fooled into silence, stop being hoodwinked by this separation of church and state nonsense which everyone has backwards, I'll explain in just a minute. But Christians walked away from the public arena. We removed our religion and it was immediately replaced with many other pagan religions.

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What do I mean pagan religions? I don't know exhibit a we're currently in the middle of pride month There's a pagan religion right there. You don't think that's a religion of course. It's a religion. We left they filled it in I'm against this law I'm against this law Because it doesn't also require the beatitudes be placed in every single classroom doesn't go nearly far enough. Ten Commandments, good start.

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And don't come at me with this hypothetical, well, Slater, what if Buddhists want their dumb Buddha sayings on the wall? We don't live in a Buddhist nation. If the founders were Buddhist, then we could talk. If we were founded as a Buddhist nation, we'll have a

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conversation. If we were living in Sri Lanka, then yes, I would expect a statue of a fat guy in every classroom. All right? But we don't. So that's a stupid hypothetical. What if the Buddhists? Now we got to let the Buddhists. No, you don't. Well, now you got to let the Satanists. No, you don't. You don't have to now do that.

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Here's what the poster says. So hide your children.

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Hide your children. I'm going to quote the Ten Commandments here.

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Just so you know. Just so you know exactly what's in every... You know what we're talking about here, right?

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You just hear...

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So that the media, they don't tell you things.

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They don't tell you the things. I've read all these articles and none of the articles have a link to what is actually put up on the wall. Right? They don't have any context. They don't have any story, they don't tell you the thing that you need to know. But hide your kids, I'm going to read the text. By the way, I saw a video of a mom, a cool mom, with maybe her, probably Johnny's,

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probably four years old, old enough to know what he's doing, but young enough that they still think it's cute. And they were singing the Please Please Please song. Producer Zach, I know you're a big pop star. I got, who sings Please Please Please?

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I'll have to look it up.

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Sabrina Carpenter. There you go, Sabrina Carpenter. And that's like the big pop song right now. And the kids dropping F-bombs. And everyone thinks it's hilarious. So, that's great.

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But come at someone with, come at that same person with the Ten Commandments and they're like whoa, whoa vulgar vulgar I got children in the car. All right The text shall read as follows the Ten Commandments I am the Lord thy God Thou shalt have no other gods before me thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

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Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor

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his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbors.

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There you go.

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It's got to be in every classroom in Louisiana. All right, I got, which by the way, that used to be in every classroom in America not that

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long ago.

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All right, I got two arguments. I was watching a debate the other day between Michael Knowles, who I like a lot, big fan of Michael Knowles, big Michael Knowles fan. I appreciate him very much. And there was a debate between him and this famous British atheist guy who I guess is becoming more and more popular. His name is Alex O'Connor.

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I think. Yes, Alex O'Connor. Alright, so it's Michael Knowles and Alex O'Connor. And the question was, is America a Christian nation? Or was America founded as a Christian nation or something and this atheist guy brought up Thomas Jefferson and his separation of church and state and Michael Knowles who I love missed it totally missed it and I I don't make

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this argument really much anymore because I think everyone's sick of hearing it but apparently we need to keep making it because I guess not everyone knows it. So I'm going to do it in full here. And I'm going to read it in full because we're adults. And it's serious exam and there's no commercials really. So we have plenty of time.

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But I don't want to insult you. I think the media is insulting. Every time I read some article about how, oh you know, to make your reels more successful, they need to be quicker and faster. And it's like, particularly adult people can think, we can like read a thing and, no, no, cut to the chase. All right, so here's the back.

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This is the story of separation of church and state. All right, everyone's got it backwards. Here's the story. There's a letter written by the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Association. They were a religious sect that was persecuted by the Congregationalists at the time. They were the Puritans, basically. That were the majority in Connecticut. So Connecticut, the majority of people there

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were Puritans. Yale was a Congregationalist seminary in 1701. So this is a Congregationalist state, Connecticut. But you got these Baptists who are there and the Baptists are like, hey, we were being persecuted here by our fellow Connecticutians. And so they wrote a letter, the Danbury Baptists wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson, the new president, got this new president in here and these Baptists were worried that Thomas Jefferson, who's now in charge of the federal government was

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going to impose religious laws and mandates on them or I should say laws and mandates on their religion they were worried that Thomas Jefferson was gonna come down and crack down on them well now we got it coming from all sides we got it coming from everyone here in Connecticut and now we're gonna get it in Washington as well. So they wrote a letter. They're very worried. They didn't want the state imposing on their religion. So here's the letter. I'll quote it in full. Dear sir,

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among the many millions in America and Europe who rejoice in your election to office, that's a lot of a lot of this stuff in the beginning, but it's good. We embrace the first opportunity which we have enjoyed in our collective capacity since your inauguration to express our great satisfaction in your appointment to the Chief Magistrate of the United States. And though our mode of expression may be less courtly and pompous than what many others clothe their addresses with, we beg you, sir, to believe that none are more sincere.

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Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty, that religion is at all times the place and matter between God and individuals. That no man ought to suffer a name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions. That the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor. So we are... so by the way, they're not saying... the Danbury Baptists are not saying, there should be no religion. They're saying like, leave us alone.

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We just want to be left alone. So we are sensible that the president of the United States is not a national legislator. And also sensible that the national government cannot destroy the laws of each state. We'll get to that in a minute.

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But our hopes are strong that the sentiments of our beloved president, which have had such great, I have such genial effect already, like the radiant beams of the sun, will shine and prevail through all these states and all the world, till hierarchy and tyranny be destroyed from the earth. Sir, when we reflect on your past services and see a glow of philanthropy

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and goodwill shining forth in the course of more than thirty years, we have reason to believe that America's God has raised you up to fill the chair of state out of that good which he bears to the millions which you preside over. May God strengthen you for the arduous task which providence and the voice of the people have called you to sustain and support you in your administration against all predetermined opposition of those who wish to rise in wealth and importance on the poverty and subjugation of the people.

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And may the Lord preserve you safe from every evil and shall bring you at last to his heavenly kingdom through Jesus Christ our glorious mediator. Danbury Baptist. There you go. So they're saying, listen, don't impose any religious mandates on us, please. Don't make any laws mandating us. Religion should be between God and an individual. No, we don't want any national laws telling us what to do. Please don't get involved in the affairs of our religion. That's the letter.

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And here's what Thomas Jefferson said. Gentlemen, the affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you're so good as to express towards me on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association gives me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interest of my constituents and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those

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duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. Happy to be your President. Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions. I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared

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that their legislature, the Congress, shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation, the Constitution, in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights.

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Convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties, I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourself and your religious association assurances of my high respect and esteem Thomas Jefferson. You with me? This is the Danbury Baptist saying, hey new president please don't impose on us any laws that interfere with our religion and this is Thomas Jefferson saying, hey Baptist in Connecticut don't worry about it. I will not get involved in the affairs of

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your church in any way at all. You do your thing. There's a wall of separation between me and you. There's a wall of separation between me and you. There's a wall of separation between me, the federal government, and you, the individual and the organization. Don't worry about you being able to practice your religion. The Constitution says that the Congress shall make no law

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creating a national religion for everyone to adhere to. Congress shall make no law establishing a religion. So don't worry about it. We're not going to tell you what you need to do in your church. You're free to practice however you wish. So don't worry about me. There's a wall separating the federal government from you. Got it? What was this exchange not? This exchange was not some atheist association saying,

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Hey, Thomas Jefferson, make sure no Christians ever have anything to do with government at all in any way. And it was not Thomas Jefferson responding, You're right, we should have no religion in any government thing in any way whatsoever. That's not what it was. Separation of church and state means that, Excuse me, let me say it like this.

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It has come to mean, people have misinterpreted, it has been spun backwards to mean, that the church should have nothing to do with the government. But Thomas Jefferson was promising that the state will have nothing to do with the affairs of the church. I'll say it again. 99% of people think that separates the church and state means that the church, that Christians,

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Christians should have nothing to do with government. There should be no Christian displays in public spheres or, you know, no Ten Commandments in the classroom. That the church, that Christians should have nothing to do with government. But Thomas Jefferson was saying that to the church, don't worry, the government will have nothing to do with the affairs of you. You're free to do what you want to do how you want to do it

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the congress shall make no law saying you can't you see the switcheroo it's an old switcheroo totally backwards and if thomas jefferson came back for ten seconds that would be my first question i'm like thomas jefferson what do you mean by separation of church and make it clear

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he's like i already made it clear read the letter And if you need any more evidence than the actual text I just read, by the way, 99% of people think separation of church and state is in the Constitution or in the Declaration. It's not. It's that letter. It's just that one letter he wrote, which with the context couldn't be more clear.

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But if you need any more evidence than what I just read, when the first, so the claim is that the government should have nothing to do with religion or that the religion should When the First Amendment was ratified, each colony or state at this point had their own official religion. So the issue wasn't that states shouldn't have their own official religion or that there shouldn't be an official religion. It was that the federal government can't come up with their own official religion and impose

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that on all the states. Because the Anglicans in Virginia, that was the official religion in Virginia at the time, the Anglicans in Virginia didn't want the Puritans in Massachusetts to mandate that we're all Puritans now, sorry Anglicans we're a puritan country this is the official religion we're now the the congregationalist country and the Anglicans are like well hold on Virginia is an Anglican state you can't you

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federal government that we all created you can't come in here and tell us what religion we have to do have to be see the difference there were already established churches official state religions in every state at the exact passing of our First Amendment. And notice there were no Hindu states. There were no Muslim states. So we can do this all day. I just picked a few of them. This is the Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776, written by George Mason. All men are

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equally entitled to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience, and that it is a mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other. So even in the Declaration of Rights, like, hey, you guys can do whatever you want, and obviously we're all going to be Christians. People are like, hey, you know, it's not all about you and you Christians. Look, they say you can do whatever you want to get they were all Christian we're no buddhists here

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so virginia was an anglican state the official state religion like we are in angla it wasn't like oh just a majority of the more anglican none of the official state religion was we are anglican so was new york massachusetts is congregationalist this is chapter 6 article one of their state constitution any person chosen governor the ten governor senate representative and accepting the trust,

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shall before he proceed to execute the duties of his or her office, of his place or office, make and subscribe the following declaration." All right, so here's what you gotta do. You want to be, you want to be governor of Massachusetts, here's what you gotta say. I, insert name here, do hereby, excuse me, do declare that I believe the Christian religion... That's in the Massachusetts Constitution from 1780.

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So you have to vow. So hold on. If these same people who passed the First Amendment were supposed to believe that, oh, no religion in anything at all related to government, those exact same people passed the Massachusetts Constitution in 1780 and their oath of office was I, insert name here, do declare that I believe the Christian religion, those same people did both those things?

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You with me? The same people who wrote the Massachusetts Constitution and also ratified the federal government first amendment? You think they meant, oh, we really meant no religion in government. Delaware had no official religion. Aha! No official religion. All right, well, Well, here's the Delaware State Constitution 1776, Article 22. Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house or appointed to any place or office of trust shall take the following oath.

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You thought the Massachusetts one was tough. I, insert name here, do profess faith in God the Father and in Jesus Christ his only Son and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed forevermore. This is the state that had no official religion. This was your oath of office I profess faith in God the Father and Jesus Christ his only Son and in the Holy Ghost one God bless it forever more

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and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old Testament and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration that's the opening oath of office if you want to hold any office any public office in Delaware in 1776 and beyond but that but that what they really meant was no religion in politics. That's what they really meant. What are you kidding me?

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Like this debate, was America founded as a Christian nation? Like, okay. Like, what are you talking about? How could you possibly say no? All right, let me say this. Here are some opinions you can have.

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Oh, wait, so you can't tell me what to think. Okay, here's some opinions that you can have. You can say, I wish we weren't founded as a Christian nation. I wish we weren't. Okay, you can have that opinion. You can have the opinion, it was bad that we were founded as a Christian nation. Okay? You can think that, you're wrong, but you can think that. I disagree, but you can think that. You can think it was bad. You can say, we shouldn't be a Christian nation today.

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Okay? I'll debate that. But to have this debate, were we founded as a Christian nation? Yes, of course. What are you talking about? Now you can even say, it's irrelevant that we were founded as a Christian nation. But you can't really, because the justification that people are using to not hang the Ten Commandments

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is the First Amendment. They'll say, oh, the First Amendment says you can't hang the Ten Commandments. Okay, let's talk about the guys who wrote the first amendment. Because look at all these other state constitutions they passed that require you to profess faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ before you become lieutenant governor. Yeah, but they really wanted a separation. Connecticut

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was a congregational state as you said New Hampshire's New Hampshire the student have New Hampshire Constitution 1784 Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience and reason because you're free To do whatever you want Nevertheless no person shall be capable of being elected a senator who is not of the Protestant religion But they were really against they wanted a separation. The same people from New Hampshire who thought that we should have no religion in government

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and you need to be a Protestant in order to be in the state senate. You see how ridiculous that is? For people to think that we weren't a Christian country. This is a good one, this is South Carolina. This is the state constitution that ratified 1778. There is one eternal God and a future state of rewards and punishment. God is publicly to be

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worshipped. The Christian religion is the true religion. That the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are divine inspiration and are the rule of faith and practice. And that it is lawful and the duty of every man being there unto called by those that govern to bear witness to that truth. Oh yeah, but we weren't we weren't a Christian nation. Even though it says in the South Carolina state constitution of 1778 that the Christian

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religion is the one true religion and that God is to be publicly worshipped. But they didn't want any public worship. Look here's Thomas Jefferson. And the argument that I heard, and I don't want to put this guy on blast anymore, but the argument that I heard from this conservative, who I love, was, oh well that was just one guy. Or Thomas Jefferson wasn't the majority opinion.

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Or we as a country didn't go that way. It's like, no, no, no. That's not what Thomas Jefferson meant. Theopsy meant exactly what all these other guys were saying. Let me do one more. Pennsylvania.

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So people will often quote this last line. So this last line in this section of the Pennsylvania state constitution says, they were Quaker, of course, and no further or other religious test shall ever hereafter be required of any civil officer or magistrate in the state. So there's Pennsylvania saying no religious tests.

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But they leave out the line before it. Section 10 Each representative, before they proceed to business, shall take the following oath. I do believe in one God, the Creator and Governor of the universe, the Rewarder of the good and Punisher of the wicked, and I do acknowledge the scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration." You have to make that oath and then no

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further or other religious test shall ever be hereafter required. But except for that first one, that the Old and New Testaments are written by the Holy Spirit of divine inspiration. All right so that's enough. Knock it off with the are we a Christian nation or not. We were a million percent founded as one. Nothing could be more obvious. We of course have since lost our way and obviously we're under God's judgment now. There's plenty examples of that. Just go to your nearest college

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campus and ask someone what a woman is. They won't even be able to tell you. There's a thousand other examples of how we've lost our way. You can think this is all bad. I wish this weren't the case. We shouldn't be like this anymore. Okay. You can think of those things. But this ridiculous, are we a Christian nation? Of nation. Of course we were and I would argue that the only way back to being a thriving country again is with a revival. Our founding fathers came out of the

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Great Awakening, the first Great Awakening in this country. The second Great Awakening led to the end of slavery. We need a third and pronto. So is putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom against the Constitution? No, of course not. Is putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom going to fix all of our problems? No. Pretty good start.

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We played the clip of Rosie O'Donnell earlier, talking about her transgender ten-year-old, who told her, said, Mommy, gender is infinite. And Rosie O'Donnell's like, where'd you learn that? And the 10 year old said, I just know it. Where do you think she learned it? She learned it in school.

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So pick your religion.

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You may wanna do this like,

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namsy-pamsy, middle of the road,

like, oh, you know, I'm Christian or whatever, but maybe I don't want religion in the classroom. All right, pick one. There is one. There are religions in the classroom. So pick your religion. Do you want the trans gay pride flag in every classroom? Or do you want the Ten Commandments? Pick one. Which way, Western man? Pick one. Because we took the Ten Commandments


and it wasn't replaced with nothing if we're not a Christian nation what are we don't say nothing gotta be something you better pick one you don't pay his will you don't pay his will payments

 

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III. The Knight defends The Holy Church unto blood.
IV. The Knight maintains the Tradition of his Fathers.
V. The Knight fights for Justice, Christian Order and Peace.
VI. The Knight wages war without truce or mercy against the World and its Prince.
VII. The Knight honors and protects the poor, the weak and the needy.
VIII. The Knight despises money and the powers of this world.
IX. The Knight is humble, magnanimous ...

November 19, 2025

You were terse and dismissive in this morning's 7:25 Eastern time call with the Man with four step children applying for Naturalization from his Naturalized U.S. Wife of Philippine descent. You should be more considerate of history about America's relationship such as with the Philippine People, which is quite notable with intrinsic factors which should have favorable weight in consideration the Filipino propensity to immigrate and become American Citizens.

"The Resident Commissioner of the Philippines was a non-voting member of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1907 until the Philippines gained independence in 1946. This role was established under the Philippine Organic Act of 1902, allowing the Philippines to have representation in Congress, similar to current non-voting members from U.S. territories."

Don't be so apparently xenophobic and stop misrepresenting American (and Christian while you're at it) History in omission through culpable ignorance.

The Philippines, 1898–1946
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November 11, 2025

Happy Veterans' Day.
Support our Troops. Before. During. After.

St. Martin, Bishop of Tours, Confessor, Soldier of the State, Soldier of Christ
November 11
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Christmas Eve: Journey of the Magi
Politics By Faith, December 24, 2025

A poetry reading on this Christmas Eve, from the great T.S. Eliot. He starts by quoting a Christmas sermon from 1622 and then ends with a line I hope to think of every day this year.

Welcome to Politics by Faith, a very special Christmas Eve edition. Taking a time out from preparing Christmas Eve and a little bit of prep on Christmas Day's feast for a quick poetry reading. 

T . S. Eliot became a Christian when he was 38 years old. There's a lot to share there in his journey as well, but this poem of his was his proclamation of becoming a Christian. It's called The Journey of the Magi. He wrote it in 1927. It starts off with a quote. 

A cold cuts three stanzas. A cold coming, we had of it. Just the worst time of the year for a journey. Such a long journey. The waves deep and the weather sharp. The very dead of winter. 

That quote is a paraphrase of a Christmas sermon that was given in 1622 by Lancelot Andrews. How about that for a name? Lancelot Andrews. The original line is, so this is the preacher speaking of the Magi. T . S. 

Eliot's poem is from the perspective of the Magi, so he changes a little bit there, but here's the original sermon. A cold coming they had of it at this time of year, just the worst time of the year to take a journey, and especially a long journey. The waves deep, the weather sharp, the days short, the sun farthest off, the very dead of winter. Let me read a little more from that sermon, actually. It's so good. Come is soon said, but a short word, but many a wide and weary step they made. 

before they could come to say lo here we are come and at our journey's end it's like easy to be like yeah yeah we're coming this was a journey we don't exactly know but somewhere between 500 and 900 miles maybe took one to three months for the magic. We just read about it in a sentence or two in the Bible. And we're like, oh yeah, they saw a star and they followed it and they arrived. You're like, well, hold on. That's a very long journey, a miserable journey. 

And certainly a journey that somewhere along the line, one of the guys had to be like, meh, are we, do we really want to do this? Do we need to do this? We just do something else instead. Should we just turn around? Should we turn around? We should turn around. 

Shouldn't we turn around? 

Months. 

Of this journey, the preacher goes on, we must consider the distance of the place they came from. It was not hard as by the shepherds. This was riding many a hundred miles. The shepherds only came a little bit. The way they came was through deserts, all the way waste and desolate. It was exceedingly dangerous through the midst of thieves and cutthroats. 

At the time of their coming, the season of the year, it was no summer progress. A cold coming they had of it at this time of year, just the worst time to take a journey. And he goes on, that's where the weather deep, sharp, days short. And these difficulties they overcame of a wearisome, dangerous, unseasonable journey. And for all this, they came to see Jesus because there was a star. These pagans saw a star. 

That's what they did. They studied the stars. If you heard our interview with Lee Strobel recently, he talked about how these were people who studied stars. So they would have noticed something odd and they followed it. Just hard for us to imagine, right? Navigation by the stars. 

They did that back then. Okay. Let's keep going. So that's just the first little opening quote. And then so T . S. 

Eliot then speaks just like this preacher did about how difficult this journey was. And the camels galled, sore -footed, refractory, lying down in the melting snow. 

There were times we regretted. 

The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces and the silken girls bringing sherbert. This is what they left. Then the camel men cursing and grumbling and running away and wanting their liquor and women. And the night fires going out and the lack of shelters and the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly and the villages dirty and charging high prices. A hard time we had of it. At the end, we preferred to travel all night, sleeping in snatches with the voices singing in our ears, saying that this was all folly. 

What are we doing? Look what we left. We left a beautiful place for this. And all day, sleeping in snatches, singing in our voices, singing in our ears, saying, what are we doing? Let's go to stanza number two. Then at dawn, we came down to a temperate valley, wet below the snow line, smelling of vegetation with a running stream and a water mill beating the darkness and three trees on the low sky. 

And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow. Then we came to a tavern with vine leaves over the lintel, six hands at an open door, dicing for pieces of silver and feet kicking the empty wine skins. But there was no information. And so we continued and arrived that evening. Not a moment too soon finding the place. It was, you may say, satisfactory. 

You can go back and listen to that stanza again and, or better yet, you read it and you can see, maybe easier to see, the, um, all the allusions to Jesus. Three trees. for the three chords. A white horse. Maybe the water mill beating the darkness is baptism. We have a river here, like a water river of life. 

We have dice, right? Casting of lots. Jesus is the vine. We have wineskins. A lot of biblical imagery here as they're on their journey. And essays and essays could be written about the last line of this penultimate stanza. 

And arriving at evening, not a moment too soon, finding the place, it was, you may say, satisfactory. When I first hear the word satisfactory, I think, uh, it's like, uh, all right, I guess. I guess it's fine. It's like a motel six or something like, all right, like it's a bad, I guess, I guess it's fine. Right. But no, that's not what satisfactory meant. 

So I went back to Webster's 1828 dictionary. Satisfactory, a most wise and sufficient means of salvation by the satisfactory. 

and meritorious death and obedience of the incarnate Son of God, Jesus Christ. 

" That's their definition of the word satisfactory. It means Christ is the satisfaction of the law. Satisfied. We've turned satisfied into a performance review. Satisfactory, not satisfactory, above satisfactory. Satisfactory is amazing. 

Satisfactory is unbelievably profound. We have this long and this constant longing that we can never fulfill until we die and go to heaven to be satisfied. And Jesus was the price paid. His death on the cross was the price paid for our sins. It's satisfied. It was satisfactory. 

So it shouldn't be read, and arrived that evening, not a moment too soon, finding the place. Were we led all that way for birth? There was a birth, certainly. We had evidence, no doubt. I had seen birth and death, but I thought they were different. This birth was hard and bitter agony for us, like death, our death. 

We returned to our places, these kingdoms, but no longer at ease here. And the old dispensation, just way of things, and our old way of things. With an alien people clutching their gods, I should be glad of another death. No longer at ease here. Everything's different for them. It's the same. 

The place is the same, but they are different. They now see these alien people clutching their gods. They saw Jesus. And we know Jesus. We put to death our old ways. Once they saw the Savior, the old way of things for them was a death. 

Just like when we become Christians. And they didn't feel at ease where they were anymore. And neither should we. Our real home is heaven. Hence this unbelievable last line, I should be glad of another death. I think of the story of the Magi as a bit of an odd placement in the Bible. 

I love that like I'm a Like, I'm the editor. I mean, I don't know, God. I don't know if you really needed to put this part in here. It seems a little random. God put it in there for a reason. He wanted us to know the Magi as a part of the birth of Jesus. 

And I don't think it was just plot development to get Herod involved and all. He wanted us to know their story. And I love this poem. 

It's a nice reminder that God came with us, Emmanuel, to save us so we can go to heaven. 

We are with an alien people clutching their gods down here. I should be glad of another death. Merry Christmas. Mike Slater dot Locals dot com. Transcript commercial free on the website. Mike Slater dot Locals dot com.

 

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George Washington and Revelation 6
Politics By Faith, December 17, 2025

Homeland Security quoted a line from Thomas Paine's "American Crisis". This post from DHS reminded me that it is almost the 249th anniversary of George Washington crossing the Delaware. We should understand Revelation 6, which Paine referenced in his essay and which was read to the men in Washington's Army.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thanks for being here. The other day, yesterday, I believe it was, we quoted John Locke with his Appeal to Heaven, which made it to the George Washington approved, commissioned flag. Appeal to Heaven, a quote on Judges 1127, John Locke and his second treatise of government. Today, I want to go from John Locke to Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine, during the Revolutionary War, in the beginning of it, we were losing. 

We were getting crushed battle after battle. And Thomas Paine wrote The American Crisis, a series of 13 essays, in order to boost morale. A lot of famous lines in there. These are the times that try men's souls, one of them. I just want to share some of it here. He starts off explaining the desperateness of the situation. 

He says, let it be told to the future world that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and to repulse it. The heart that feels not now is dead. The blood of his children will curse his cowardice, who shrinks back at a time when a little might have saved the whole. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm and whose conscience approves his conduct will pursue his principles unto death. " So I'm just imagining being 1776 and you're in this country that's getting attacked by the king and how desperate the situation is and reading this. 

is to myself as straight and clear as a ray of light, not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have endured. me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder. But if a thief breaks into my house, burns and destroys my property, and kills or threatens to kill me, or those that are in it, and to bind me in all cases whatsoever to his absolute will, am I to suffer it? Of course not. " And then he makes a reference to Revelation 6 .16. That's why I'm talking about it now here in the Politics by Faith podcast. Revelation 6 .16. He doesn't quote Revelation 6 .16. He was so familiar, and so was his audience, so familiar with Revelation 6 .16 that he could just talk of it. Most historians today overlook how often our founding fathers would quote the Bible, because if you have no biblical knowledge of your own, you would miss this. You wouldn't even recognize that it was of the Bible because he doesn't say, as it says in Revelation 6, it doesn't say that. It just says these words. I conceive likewise a horrid idea in receiving mercy from a being who at the last day, so he's talking about if we lose this war, Even if they were to grant me mercy, I conceive it a horrid idea of receiving mercy from a being who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him and fleeing with terror from the orphan, the widow and the slain of America." That's Revelation 6, 16. 

So he's talking about how the British, even if they win this war, they will be cursed by God. They will be like people on the Latin, the last days. I'll wrap up with Revelation 6, 16 at the end of this podcast here. But the British too will be taken out by God, crying to God for forgiveness. for their sins. " Thomas Paine says, there are cases which cannot be overdone by language and this is one. 

And then he goes on and he says this, which Department of Homeland Security posted the other day with a painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware. Not the famous one, a different one, but still a great painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. Paine said, I thank God that I fear not. I mean, it just went through a pretty horrific description of the state of things, but his turn is, I thank God that I fear not. I see no real cause for fear. I know our situation well and can see the way out of it. 

I saw Homeland Security posted that and under it, someone posted a meme with that painting and it says, Americans will cross a frozen river to kill you in your sleep on Christmas. Literally not kidding. We've done that before. Which brings me to December 26th, 1776, 249 years ago. It's always fascinating to me how we look back on history and we think, oh, well, of course it turned out that way. Of course we won World War II. 

Of course we won the Revolutionary War. Of course, George Washington made it across the Delaware. Of course, we invented the atom bomb first. Of course, of course, of course, we made it to the moon, whatever. Of course, we did this thing. Of course, the Wright brothers were the first to invent. 

No, not even close. All these things that we look back on and think, well, yeah, of course it went this way. They're all miracles. And George Washington crossing the Delaware coming out to about 249 years ago was absolutely one of those miracles. His men were starving. It was freezing cold. 

It was in the 20s. There was a nor 'easter. The wind, they wrote, cut like a knife, driving sleet and snow. Many of them had no shoes. And they went on a three mile hike to get to the river by midnight. Three, three mile hike, 20 degrees, not wearing anywhere near proper attire, pitch black to get to the starting point of the mission. 

And that's when George Washington, 2 ,400 men, 18 cannons, 200 horses crossed the Delaware. Well, of course that worked. No, there were two other crossings planned at the same time or attempted, I should say. So three in total, two of them never made it. They never made it. The ice was too thick. 

The plan was too preposterous. And George Washington himself, the group he was in, he was about to abort too. They were three hours behind schedule. So by the time they made it across, if they made it across, there was still another 10 mile hike that would take another five hours. So they'd get there after the sun came up, they would lose the surprise and they'd all be killed. But he decided in his own words, quote, push on. 

Thank God they did. 22 enemy soldiers were killed, 98 wounded. The Americans captured a thousand prisoners. Only three Americans were killed in the Battle of Trenton, thanks to George Washington's crossing of the Delaware. And this was the turning point. It should not have worked. 

Conditions couldn't have been worse. They fought through a Nor 'easter. Thomas Paine published his first essay on December 19th, 1776 in Philadelphia. It was read to George Washington's troops on December 23rd, 1776. Right before, on Christmas Day, they crossed the Delaware. These are the times that try men's souls. 

The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country. But he that stands it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. Let's go to Revelation 6, which Thomas Paine knew intimately enough to reference as an offhand imagery, and that the American people and the people fighting, crossing that Delaware, knew so well that it was powerful and meaningful to them. Revelation 6 is about the six seals on the white horse, red horse, black horse, pale horse. 

Then we finally get to the fifth. Let me quote here. When he, Jesus, opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? Then a white robe was given to each of them, and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. When all the martyrs are made, God will set it right. 

Then the sixth season began. This is the one that Thomas Paine was referencing. I looked when he opened Jesus opened the sixth seal and behold there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair and the moon became like blood and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as a fig tree drops its late figs when it's shaken by a mighty wind then the sky receded as a scroll when it's opened up and every mountain island was moved out of its place and here it is the kings of the earth The great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains. 

Okay. 

They hid themselves and said, let me go back to Thomas Paine. He said, I conceive likewise, a horrid idea and receiving mercy from a being who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him. Here's revelation 616. So everyone, great men, mighty men, commanders, kings of the earth. They shall hide in the caves and rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb for the great day of his wrath has come. And who is able to stand all the mighty Kings, all the great men, everyone brought low. 

It's so bad. They're begging the rocks to fall on them and crush them and kill them rather than face God or in this case, the wrath of the lamb. And that's the final point I want to make here. coming up on Christmas. The wrath of the lamb in Revelation 6. The lamb we think of as the gentle lamb, the baby who we are. 

celebrating coming to earth, Emmanuel, God with us, right? Maybe you'll see some Christmas plays or whatever. That's a little baby, right? This innocent little precious baby, the gentle lamb. Well, his judgment in Revelation 6 is so dreadful that all the mighty kings and great strong men will plead to die, plead to be crushed by rocks rather than face him. So let us celebrate first George Washington and the men who crossed the Delaware. 

Coming up here on the 249th anniversary of that, let us celebrate Jesus as a baby. And also let us know that the wrath of the lamb will happen. Let's not be the people begging to be crushed by rocks rather than face him. We should be people who run to Jesus as a place of refuge, not people who run to caves, begging to be crushed to death. I'll end here. Could go on forever about this. 

Go to Revelation 16. This is the pouring out of the bowls. And this is the third, the third angel poured out the bowl on the rivers and springs of water and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters saying, you are righteous. So Lord, so you're thinking you hear all these, this wrath and it's horrible and awful. And here's, here's an angel saying you are righteous. 

So Lord, the one who is and who was and who is to be, because you have judged these things for, they have shed the blood of saints and prophets and you have given them blood to drink. So that's their punishment. They shed the blood. Their punishment is they have to drink the blood for it is their due. And I heard from. I heard another from the altar saying, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous 

are your judgments. Even in the midst of what we may look at today and think horrible, rough, whatever. From our perspective, God is good. God is good. His punishments are fair and appropriate and just. So repent, run to him, make him Lord of your life. 

Merry Christmas. Mike Slater, not your normal Christmas message. MikeSlater . Locals . com. Transcript commercial free. It's all on that website. MikeSlater .

 

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An Appeal To Heaven, Rob Reiner
Politics By Faith, December 16, 2025

Two topics on today's podcast: I love when the Appeal To Heaven flag returns to the news. Also, too many families know what the Reiner family went through with an addict son.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thanks for being here. I want to talk about Rob Reiner in a moment. Let me get this out off my chest first. Every once in a while, this flag comes up in the news and it's great when it does. The latest is a USA Today report. 

The congressional reporter at USA Today found a Christian nationalist flag. In his words, a controversial Christian nationalist flag. This one hanging outside the DC office of a top education department official. This USA Today reporter is very upset because this is the flag that was raised by rioters during the January 6th insurrection. Don't remember it there, but I'm sure someone had the flag. It's the same flag that flew at Sam Alito's house. 

Unbelievable. 

It's the Appeal to Heaven flag. It's a white flag with a tree in the middle and in black letters on the top it says Appeal to Heaven. Now this USA Today reporter, after being roundly criticized online, deleted the tweet and he wrote back, this flag is more accurately described as quote, a symbol associated with Christian nationalism. Why? Because when you call it a Christian nationalist flag, it makes it sound like the January Sixers made it up a couple of years ago. It's a brand new flag that they just made up themselves. 

The appeal to heaven flag was commissioned by George Washington. The tree, the pine tree in the middle was a symbol of new England. It's a symbol of, uh, well, it's a symbol of tyranny too, because the colonists, There were all these regulations that the crown put on the colonies of harvesting our own timber. The King's officials would come by and they would mark the best pine trees. It was an Eastern white pine. They'd mark the best pine trees for the King's Royal Navy, but they were our trees. 

and we wanted to use them for our boats. So the pine tree became a symbol of resistance and a symbol of independence and a symbol of our Navy, the boats, our boats that we'd use the trees for. There was also something called the Pine Tree Riot in New Hampshire in 1772. So that's the pine tree. The appeal to heaven comes from John Locke on his second treatise of government. And his point was that if you don't have anyone else to appeal to, in our case, appealing for freedom, then your ultimate appeal comes from heaven. 

He wrote, sufferers who have no, who having no appeal on earth to write them, they are left to the only remedy in which cases, in such cases, an appeal to heaven. And he quotes judges 1127, which says, you go a little bit back actually. Therefore, I have not sinned against you, but you wronged me by fighting against me. May the Lord, the judge. render judgment this day between the children of Israel and the people of Amman. So we have lacking a human court. 

The Jephthah must appeal directly to God and appeal to heaven. I love this story and I love when this flag pops up every once in a while because it highlights a few realities. One, that people have no idea about our history. That's sad. We should all know this flag. Everyone should be intimately aware of what this flag is. 

Second, how ignorant people are about our Christian roots and our Christian founding. where they see this flag and appeal to heaven and they're like, Oh, that must be some crazy evangelical Christian nationalism. George Washington, okay, appeal to heaven. George Washington commissioned the flag. John Locke wrote about it. And to prove how far we have to go still, that flag 

and the concept of an appeal to heaven should not be controversial. Go get the flag yourself. Fly it high, fly it proud. All right, let's talk about Rob Reiner and this horrible, tragic story. Rob Reiner's wife murdered by their son with a knife, slit throats, where it's reported. It's worth, as horrible as it is, I think it's worth taking a minute. 

I think it's important to take a minute to consider, to imagine this. And what Rob Reiner must have been thinking, and his wife must have been thinking, one of them saw the other die. They saw their son do it. The fear that... I don't even know. 

I don't even know. 

Just go there for a minute. It's important to do that, I think. It's about as awful as it gets. I don't know if there's a family, obviously. They made a movie together, Rob Reiner and his son, Nick. It's called Being Charlie, about their experience with addiction. 

Nick went to a It's called rehab for the first time when he was 15. He's been 17 times. He's been homeless in many different States before. I've seen three family photos and everyone in the family looks very happy and healthy and rich except for Nick. He's standing there, but he's not there at all. He's not wearing appropriate clothes that everyone else is wearing. 

And his eyes, his eyes are totally spaced out. It's just not, not there. And it's very sad. And I know this is very relatable for a lot of people. of families as well. I don't know enough about addiction. 

I'm just gonna be honest. I'm tangentially connected. I'm in no position to give any advice at all. What is the balance between people, you know, back in the day we used to say, you have a couple screws loose. That was the old expression. And how much of it comes from, like people are born that way versus how much of it is trauma from childhood. 

What the amounts are of each, I don't know. But I do know, and this is going to be next week's or this week's special is Spiritual Warfare is Real. I know it's real, and I know that plays a role. The Bible talks about alcoholism. Talk about nothing new under the sun. It's there. 

Isaiah 5, 1. Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evenings as wine inflames them. Titus 2, 3. Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine, not being a slave to wine. They are to teach what is good. It's a sin. 

And if you're addicted, you are a slave to it. It doesn't end well. Woe to those. Romans 6 20. It says, but when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at the time from the things of which you are now ashamed? 

For the end of those things is death. If you're a slave to sin, what do you get from it? Nothing. The end is death. I don't know how to break addictions other than the same way we break any sin. The only way to break sin, and that's through salvation with a new heart. 

We played the clip the other day of Jelly Roll on Joe Rogan's show, talking about a new heart, a new creation, not a slightly modified heart, not fixed a little bit here or there, a new creation, a new heart. Romans 6 .11 talks about being dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus. It's the only way to do it. My TV producer sent me a note the other day. It's something I'm thinking about a lot lately. Everyone's always like thoughts and prayers. 

You hear it all the time. Whenever there's a tragedy or thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers or thoughts and prayers go with now. Thoughts is the most ridiculous thing ever, but I'm setting my thoughts. I don't even know what that means. Really. It's definitely become an odd trite thing to say thoughts and prayers, but the prayers part is interesting too, because as my producer said, why not just pray right there? 

Thoughts and prayers is essentially a social way of acknowledging a situation, but not actually praying. Notice this in churches a lot too. You'll be seeing people in the hallways of the church and someone will share something. Oh man, I'll pray for you. And then you go on. And how many people actually pray for the person later? 

How often does that happen? Maybe a lot. I don't think so. Not enough. As opposed to, pray right there. Here's my challenge. 

If someone says something to you in church this Sunday, instead of saying, man, I'm going to pray for you about that. How about let's pray right now and just do it. Let's do it right there. No one will think you're weird. That's the place to do it. Now you do it anywhere, but that's a good place too. 

It's not an odd, it shouldn't be out of character to pray in the church building. What may be out of character is to pray on a podcast. Dear Heavenly Father, I want to pray for everyone who's going through addiction right now. Way too many people, God. I want to pray that you can break their addiction, give them a new heart and have the Holy Spirit speak so clearly to them that they can focus on you. and focus on good things. 

God, I pray for peace for families that are going through addiction with family members. God, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything more difficult than that. I pray for peace for them and a clarity, God, that everything will be perfect in heaven. There will be no crying or pain or addiction in heaven, and I can't wait to be there. In Jesus' name we pray, amen. We talk about the Puritans a lot on this show, and they wrote often about how God has limited our comforts here. 

and how that is a blessing so that we don't cling to this life too tightly, but instead we long for what is to come. We long for eternity. Maybe that perspective, if you can relate to what the Reiner family went through for a long time, if you can relate, maybe that perspective can be helpful. That's all I got. mikeslater . locals . com. Transcript commercial free on the website mikeslater .

 

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