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Pastor John MacArthur Interview
Politics By Faith, April 2, 2024
July 02, 2024

What an honor to talk to Pastor MacArthur. We talked about his new book "The War On Children" and also got into Joe Biden, Donald Trump, the only way we can save this country, and his choice words for Gavin Newsom.


Welcome to Politics by Faith, brought to you by the Patriot Gold Kurukwa. An honor it was to talk to the great Pastor John McArthur on the show this morning. That's on Breitbart News Daily. He doesn't do a lot of interviews, and the fact that he agreed to chat with us is just fantastic. So I wanted to put it over here for you so you can enjoy the entire interview. Pastor McArthur.

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All right, let's get to the important stuff now. A man who has had an incredible influence in my life and my family's life. He's the pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles, author of 150 books. Gty.org, grace2u.org is an incredible resource. Chancellor of the Masters University and Seminary, the MacArthur Study Bible, over a million sold his newest book the war on children providing refuge for your children hostile world pastor john mccarthur passes an honor to talk to you sir good morning

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in my view mike my privilege

and and thank you for waking up early force what you know the wake-up time pastor

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it's not five o'clock

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Well, thank you. Thank you for doing it for us close, but close, but you missed it by about an hour. That's

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Got a ton of questions for you, sir, but let's start with the book of course You've you've been through a lot of decades Which is a nice way of saying you're old sir, but you see you've seen a lot was as you look back Was there something that you can you can point to and you're like, ah, yes, yes, that, that was a turning point. Or that, I don't want to say the start of it all, because that goes back a long time, but that was a major acceleration of dissent at that time.

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Yeah, it's a really perceptive question. I don't want to get wrapped up in too long an answer. But in the first chapter of Romans, the Apostle Paul writes that the wrath of God is revealed against the society when there's a sequence. And the first sequence is a sexual revolution. And three times the Bible says God gave them over. When there's a sexual revolution, and this is repeated through history, nation after nation after nation. When there's

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a sexual revolution, it says God gave them up to immorality, followed by a homosexual revolution and God gave them up to the consequences of that behavior. And then it's followed by a third part that's basically a reprobate mind, a homosexual revolution, and a reprobate mind, meaning they don't think right. I used to wonder, what is that? Well, it might be when you try to turn a boy into a girl, or a girl into a boy.

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I can't think of anything more insane than that. And you might mutilate them in the process. There's an insanity loose in our culture that is the exact sequence going from a sexual revolution, go back to the playboy era, the homosexual revolution which we all know very much about, which has taken over leading into the transgender, which is the insanity. And it's at that point that you can say, at least in Romans 1, God gave them over.

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God gave them over. God takes his hand off at that point. And so there's a forfeiture by that culture of divine blessing. And they put themselves in a serious position before God. So I look at those kind of three sequential steps as the most defining, from a biblical standpoint, the most defining things as to why this culture is where it is.

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Do you ever think that we would see a drag queen story hour for children in schools?

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No, and that's part of that third insanity, the reprobate mind, when people don't even think straight. And then when your government and your president says his priority is to make sure that he elevates and honors and protects those people engaged in that kind of thing, the insanity has reached the highest level and they are the levers of power and from a civil standpoint there's no way back.

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You mentioned Playboy a second ago. Hugh Hefner is such a fascinating study to me in our society. When he passed away how many years ago? Just heralded as this hero, this man among men and he's living every man's dream, but you actually look at his life and he was just miserable. Everything about his life was disgusting and the people around him, and even the mansion was filthy and wretched on the inside in every, even like physical way.

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How did we get so wrapped up in all Hugh Hefner and the glamour of it all?

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Well, because every human being is born in sin. Everyone who is born is born into the kingdom of darkness. Everyone who is born is basically a part of the family of Satan. And so when you sell the lust of the flesh, you're tracking with fallenness. I mean, that's... Why is it so hard to break pornography?

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pornography. Why do I talk to a guy on his deathbed who's 80 years old who says to me, my greatest regret is that I hate the word pornography? What was that about? What was that about? I mean, that's powerful and that's in an unregenerate heart, transformed by the gospel. So, yeah, as it can possibly be, because there's an appetite for that.

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Yeah. Talking with John MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church in LA. The new book is called The War on Children, Providing Refuge for Your Children in a Hostile World. Let me read this quote here, just on the point you just made. Our culture today is the product of centuries of vile and horrific sins.

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It's been shaped by the wretched desires and wicked intentions of hell-bent hearts. It is a universal reality that each generation passes on to the next a more corrupt world than the one they inherited. In my lifetime alone, the world has rapidly grown more comfortable with sin and more eager to celebrate its pervasive influence. I shudder to think, should the Lord tarry, how future generations will sink further into

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sin." is you go into important detail on the history of child sacrifice. And to me, that's always been my sort of made up rock bottom. I'll know we hit rock bottom when we do actual satanic ritualistic sacrifice. A million aborted babies is a horrific number. But like putting in front of the altars of Baal.

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And it turns out the other day the president of el salvador talked about how ms thirteen gang members of the satanic rituals on children in anything well like we're here and you're going to really important detail on on the history of that why do you go into the detail of that and and is that rock bottom to you

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you're absolutely right mike that i mean that's rock bottom you take basically the most defenseless, the most innocent, the most helpless of all humanity, and you murder them, or you maim them, or you mutilate them, or you pervert them. I mean, this is the worst of...

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I mean, I guess the only thing worse than that is lying about things that are biblical, lying about the Bible. Maybe it's the very worst thing, but not too far off from that is being a phony healer who takes people who are sick, diseased, broken, handicapped, and promising them healing if they send you their money. But that's pretty close to low, but it doesn't reach the level of just outright using children as, yeah, as sacrifices to the God of self.

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You're right, that's just sad.

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It's been common, it's been common through all of human history.

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Yes.

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And I have a chapter in the book that basically delineates that. I mean, that even Israel got involved in sacrificing their children to Molech. And God said to them, even the pagans who sacrificed their children to Baal or Molech, those are my children. And Jesus said the same thing when he picked up a little child in his arms and said, allow this child to come to me for of such is the kingdom of heaven. There's a sense in which children belong to God

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And, yes, society can't get more base than to take the most helpless, the most innocent, and the ones who are at that point under divine protection, even a part of the kingdom of God, and destroys them.

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Yes.

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Tell me, John MacArthur, new book, The War on Children, Providing Refuge for Your Children in a Hostile World. I think the most haunting part of all that other than it. He wrote, Mothers, according to Plutarch, as they would physically take this born child and put him in the fire, stood by without tears or sobs.

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If they wept or sobbed, they lost the honor of the act, and their children were sacrificed nonwithstanding. That's such a haunting story about how profoundly the human soul can be seared and seared by culture or what? I don't even know what, like what is that? What causes that type of, that's not stoicism, that seared conscience.

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Well, it goes back to that Romans 1 thing.

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It's a descent. It starts out with immorality and then it becomes perverse sexuality in some form or another. You can see that in ancient history as well. And then you, there's only one more step and that's to insanity. And that's where you wind up mutilating children,

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killing children, using children. You know when the gay lobby says, we're coming after your children. That's a warning from hell.

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Yeah.

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Or they're not your children.

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Um, you talk about, yeah, they belong to the nation or they belong to the village.

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Yeah.

Here's Joe Biden. Um, there's no such thing as someone else's child.

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Our nation's children are all our children and Kamala, maybe our next president. That's from a man, that's from a man who obviously didn't know how to raise children. We all believe that when we talk about the children of our community they are children of the community says Kamala, which is funny but also because it's non-sequitur but hilarious but sad too. But that's what these people think, that's what these progressives have always thought. They're not yours,

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Pastor MacArthur. Children are not ours, children are not a private

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Now they're to be offered up for whatever purposes the culture wants if it's blood sacrifice. So be it if it's to change the nature of Society to change culture. I mean if you want to change the culture you go for the kids I mean we all have seen the literature that's come out on the arrival of the cell phone in 2010 and between 2010 and 2015 teenage suicides begin

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to go up. Teenage girls become victims of discontent at a level they've never been at and now we're still reaping the suicidal effects of all of that. And that's all orchestrated, You know, your teenage, 14-year-old girl draws something down out of the internet, and the next thing you know, it's just a barrage of that coming at her, coming at her, until her whole approach to life is altered dramatically and powerfully by the instrument she holds in her hand.

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How do you protect children from the worst in a society if they've got it in their hand? And the purveyors of all of that are after them.

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Yes, yes, yes. And it's your book. We need to provide a refuge for our children. But you always hear this, Pastor, of, oh, we don't want to shield our children, or, you know, we don't want them to be weirdos and not acclimate, or not, what's the right word they use, assimilate to society or whatever. You know, we don't want to protect them too. We don't want to over protect them, Pastor.

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Well, I have a fear of parents who often make their own choices. You know, that's a real, a big disaster. Parents don't prepare for the purpose of training children where they should go. They're not prepared. They're not going to depart from it. That's obvious. Child is a product of training. Some kind of training, even if it's minimal training or even it's training in bad things, the child is a product

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of parental influence and the societal power. And in this society, the parents are left to really to fight the battle alone. And I think that's where the church has to step in and provide the social structure and the larger family to aid parents, because the culture is bent on the destruction of children.

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Yes, that's right.

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I mean, they're literally bent on it. It's a target. It's not incidental. It's a target. They want to sell everything that they have, economically and morally or immorally to the children. They're the least able to resist the impact. So parents have to take on a defense mode. You can go back 50 years in American culture, and the society would be helpful to parents

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because there was honor in the society and integrity. And things were right, were clearly right. And things that were wrong were clearly wrong that's all been turned upside down inside out uh... to say uh... you know i will let my kid make his own decision in this environment

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basically the most irresponsible thing a parent could do

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uh... so much of your body moment ago uh... how do you in this political season and every political season how do you think about politics and Christianity and anxiety for the future and what's next and this is the most important election of our lifetime. How do you think about this stuff?

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Well, I think about it two ways. Number one, I think about everything biblically. And God is sovereign and he is in charge and he controls everything. And that means that what's going on in our country, as bad as it is, and as satanic as it is, we have to remember that the devil is God's devil. And he's got limits and he's got boundaries.

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So why is what's happening happening? Because when a society, again, turns to sexual immorality, homosexual immorality, and a reprobate mind, God gives them up. There's a sense in which God takes his hand of blessing off that society. And when he gives them up, it means he gives them up to the consequences of their choices. If you follow that pattern, what you get is Joe Biden, who is the epitome of all of those things that I just talked about. Immorality, rampant in his own family at an epic level, and in his own life, now that's been part of his life.

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That's part of it. And then advocating for homosexuality, and then saying he supports all the transgender nonsense. get when you go down the Romans one path because this is in itself is a kind of divine judgment. Is there a way back? There is a way back if we return to the Word of God, if we proclaim the Gospel, if people

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turn to Christ. You can't change a culture any other way than to change hearts, change hearts from the inside out. And that's where the church has to step in. And as a man who's been in the pastures virtually my whole adult life, I have to say the church has miserably failed. The church has worked so hard to look and sound like what people outside the church

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want that it's lost its impact. It's virtually impossible to tell, I think, to a non-believing person, when he goes to a typical mega church service, the difference between that and a rock concert. Where is the church pointing out the sins of... The scripture makes so clear that bring about divine judgment. But the solution is not going to be Donald Trump. That's a huge move in the right direction.

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And, you know, I think if God allows that to happen, that Trump becomes president, you could say that the Lord has kind of put the brakes on a little bit. But the train is moving so fast down the direction of having been abandoned by God that unless there's a huge spiritual turnaround, there's no way to stop this. And that falls to the church and Christian people. And that means that you... Obviously, we care about politics because we care about sin and righteousness, and we want to uphold righteousness, but Christian people also have to care a whole lot more about the gospel that alone can transform people's hearts.

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We can be concerned about temporal things like politics, but the reason we're in this world is to proclaim the saving gospel of Christ, the transformation that he brings can change a family and change a community and change a nation. Amen. I wonder, I have

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to do another study on this, about Jonathan Edwards and what what the soil was like in the early 1700s in America where a revival or an awakening could take place and could that could something like that happen again? It has to, right? That's all I hope. But could something like that happen in the soil that we have today that is our culture? Yeah, if there's a

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return to the Word of God. It falls to pastors. If we start preaching the Bible...

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Yeah, it's a big if. Pastor, my last question for you before i uh... courage everyone to buy your fantastic book again if you were walking down the streets today pastor in the city streets of los angeles where you live and have called home for many many decades and you bumped into uh... one gavin newsom

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used smacked right into him uh... the pastor what would you say to gavin newsom

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well i did an interview with him and Larry King a few years back. You can check that out. It's pretty interesting. He told me he was a Christian. He was serious about that. And we were discussing the fact that he had basically opened San Francisco to gay marriage.

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And I took issue with that. And he said, well, you know, I'm a Christian also. I said, oh, well, you must believe the Bible." And he stumbled and stammered and said, well, yes, I do. Well, if you believe the Bible, you couldn't possibly advocate same sex marriage. I would say to Gavin Newsom, you don't have the, you don't have, you don't, you put

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yourself in a satanic position to represent the kingdom of darkness rather than the kingdom of God, you know better than this. You were taught better than this. You know what the Bible teaches about morality, even what it teaches about society, family, marriage, culture, even what the Bible teaches about economics. You know all of that, and you are blatantly fighting against God. And I'm concerned about your own soul to start with and the impact you're having on people that is disastrous.

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My last question is, how do you, can you encourage us to speak... By the way, I wrote him a letter to that effect. Was that after the billboard that he put up quoting scripture to encourage people to get abortions? Yep I wrote him a letter. Have you heard back? No. I wonder if you read it. I didn't expect to hear back. I

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wonder if you read it. I felt like I had a responsibility to tell him the truth. Yeah. Can you encourage us to speak with such boldness there because some are scared of confrontation Well that's if you're a Christian that's the reason you're here I

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Mean that that's the reason you're here And if you if you made no enemies you look at your life and said you know I've made no enemies Then you've lived a coward's life If you've never stopped lying if you've never stopped lying, someone from lying, if you've never halted a

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sinner in the path of his sin and therefore made at least initially an enemy, then you've lived a coward's life. You know, you've got to be bold and brave. Yeah, there's a price to pay. I mean, they crucified Jesus. They basically, So basically the religious culture killed all the Apostles if they weren't killed they were exiled Christians have been persecuted through all of human history. That's part of it but when

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Right you Fish reward would be great Hmm indeed it will and I know yours will sir... the book the war on children providing refuge for your children and hostile world pastor john mccarthur pastor and on our sir thank you for so much time this morning and for your your lifetime of service to the lord what pleasure they haven't passed on the car they're my slated on locals dot com website, transcript no commercial myself no commercial myself dot locals

 

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If we all collectively in our culture, every aspect of it talked about turning away from hate and anger and revenge, and instead focused on forgiveness and repentance. If we had strong families where kids didn't get lost, if kids didn't become alone and isolated and find acceptance whether it's in gangs or the darkest corners of the internet. If we never let Satan get a foothold in the first place we could prevent so much carnage. But our culture doesn't seek spiritual solutions to the problems of our world

Because most people don't think that there are spiritual problems They don't think the things that happen that are bad are spiritual in nature So, of course, they don't seek spiritual solution But that's where we come in. You know that Paul Harvey essay, If I Were the Devil. And it all comes down to,

if I were the devil, I would destroy every aspect of a moral fabric in America. That's the gist of it, and he gives many examples. And it ends with, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing. Mike Slater dot Locals dot com, Mike Slater dot Locals dot com, transcript commercial free on the website, what he's doing.

 

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Thunder The Truth
Politics By Faith, July 25, 2025

We need more clarity, confidence and courage for the truth. No more weak pastors. No more weakness on what matters most.

Thanks for listening to Politics by Faith. I mean that really. Thank you for being here. Thanks for searching this out, this podcast, making it a part of your day. You could be doing anything right now and I don't want to talk about it too much because now you're thinking, well, I could be doing this and I should be doing that.

No, no, no. I'm glad you're here. Try to keep your attention. We did a TV special the other day on John MacArthur, we're gonna put it right here in the podcast feed as well. And the theme that emerged after talking about him for that hour was clarity and confidence and courage.

We'll add another C. Three things we need more of in America for all things that are true. We need clarity for truth, confidence in it, and the courage to share it. After recording this episode, I came across a poem.

If you've noticed that I've been quoting a lot more poetry lately, it's because I bought a book called The American Anthology by Edmund Steadman. It's just an anthology of amazing, the best American poems from 1790 to 1901. The book was published in 19, uh, from 1700, excuse me, 1790 to 1900. The book was published in 1901 and it's great. I've just been going through it and, uh, every poem is awesome.

So this one is from Timothy Dwight. I think we talked about Timothy Dwight the other day, the former president of Yale university from 1795 to 1817. He gave the commencement address in 1776. That's what we shared the other day. So a couple hundred years ago, wrote this great poem.

I love reading old things, old books, old poems, because you realize just like in the Bible, there's nothing new under the sun. And that gives me confidence that we can make it through. And these people who have been through these things often have solutions to these problems too, or at the very least what not to do. But he wrote this poem called The Smooth Divine. He says, There smiled the smooth divine, unused to wound the sinner's heart with hell's alarming

sound. No terrors on his gentle tongue attend, no grating truths the nicest ear offend. So this poem is about a preacher who does not have clarity, confidence, or courage. He's scared, but not even scared, he's too gentle. Doesn't mention hell. Doesn't mention anything that might offend anyone.

I don't want to offend anyone. I want to be politically correct. So I'm just going to speak gently. I want to appeal to as many people as possible. Nothing convicting. Nothing that smacks of judgment. We don't want to, you know, I don't want to say anything that may lead to rip to

repentance. No, no, nothing frightening, nothing upsetting, no terror on his gentle tongue. No grading truths. Don't want to offend anyone. That strange new birth, that Methodistic grace, nor in his heart nor sermons found a place. The Methodistic grace here, this is good. This is your

sinner. You need to repent and experience God's grace. That's what it is. That whole thing? No, not in that preacher's heart or in his sermons. Does that ever come out anywhere? So what does come out? Plato's fine tales he clumsily retold. Trite, fireside, moral seesaws, dull as old. So today the joke is, oh, that preacher

just gives a TED talk or a motivational speech. Back then it was Plato's fine tales he clumsily retold. But it's just empty rhetoric, doesn't mean anything, nothing convicting and nothing of God's word. His Christ and Bible placed a good remove. Guilt, hell deserving and forgiving love.

So we're not going to touch the important stuff. We're going to put Christ, the Bible, it's out of reach, don't need it. To his best, he said, mankind should cease to sin. Good frame required it. So did peace within. So like at best, this preacher's up there and saying, being a good person, just be a good person. Stop sinning. Everyone, okay, we'll just be nice. Let's just all be nice and if we're all nice, you know, love is love, and that's all we need to worry about.

Why? It'll make your life a little better. Good fame required it. You know, people will think nicer of you if you're just a nice person, be a good neighbor, and you'll feel a little better inside.

It's all the same reasons why atheists say you should be a good person. They don't believe in God, but some reason they still believe in good. Okay, fine. Their honors, well he knew, would never be driven,

but hoped they would still please to go to heaven. So the people in the audience who like it, who like the TED Talk, this preacher knows that they're of such high status, their position in society, the preacher knows they'll never give that up. They'll be like the rich young ruler, they'll never give up what they need to.

So why bother? Don't upset anyone. At best, maybe we can hope that everyone kind of wants to go to heaven a little bit. Each week, this preacher, he paid his visitation dues. Coaxed, jested, laughed, rehearsed the private news. Smoked with each goodie, thought her cheese excelled.

Her pipe he lighted and her baby held. So he makes his visits. He has fun, socializes, or placed in some great town with lacquered shoes. Trim wig and trim her gown, glistening hose. He bowed, talked politics, learned manners mild, most meekly questioned and most smoothly smiled.

So, well, maybe we'll do a little social climbing. If I'm in a nice town, then things will be a little bit nicer here, but I'll be all things to all people. At rich men's jests, laughed loud loud their stories praised. Their wives knew patterns gazed and gazed and gazed. Most daintily on pampered turkeys dined, nor shrunk with fasting nor with study pined."

So he'll laugh, play along, do the whole thing and get fed. Whew, man, feast on these delicious, delicious dinners. Never fasting. As the Bible says, when you fast, never bother with that and never want to just study God's word, never pined after studying. All right, here's the conclusion here.

Yet from their churches saw his brethren driven." So the preachers, these soft preachers who are leading these churches. See men leave. See his brethren driven, who thundered truth and spoke the voice of heaven. Chilled, trembling guilt in Satan's headlong path, charmed the feet back and roused the ear of

death." This is good. So this man sees the strong preachers, the men who want to be, who have the courage and the clarity and the confidence to go out and thunder truth and speak the voice of heaven and speak of sin and fight back against Satan and rouse the ear of death. So what does the preacher say? Let fools, he cried, starve on. All that fasting stuff.

While prudent, I snug in my nest shall live and snug shall die." So these blasphemous or weak churches that never shared the gospel message. The great men left and they spoke the truth. The preacher saw that and he said, whatever. Snug in my nest, I shall live and snug shall die. He wanted to be comfortable all the way to the end. How great is that? That poem's over 200 years old.

The moral of that story is go find a church with a preacher who thunders the truth and surround yourself with friends who thunder truth. I read Job 26 this morning. Job thunders that he will keep his integrity amidst it all. He says, as long as my breath is in me and the breath of God in my nostrils, my lips will not speak wickedness nor my tongue utter deceit till I die. I will not put away my integrity for me. My righteousness I hold fast

and will not let it go." And then my final point, Job 27, he's talking about wisdom here. And he talks about how people will search all over the world for gold and silver and iron and copper and search everywhere for it But what about wisdom? But where can wisdom be found and where is the place of understanding? People go anywhere to find the gold But where do they find wisdom?

Because they can find the gold and the silver and all these other jewels. It talks about all this other stuff. You should go read the whole thing, chapter, uh, Job 26, 27, all these different sapphires and all the rest. And those are valuable, but you can't buy wisdom with it. So how does he conclude this importance of wisdom to man?

He, God said, behold the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom. And to depart from evil is understanding. Wisdom is the fear of the Lord. This concludes my mini sermon. Three points. Find people who thunder the truth. Hold fast to your integrity and never let it go. And the most valuable thing in the world is to fear the Lord.

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Hulk Hogan Was A Christian
Politics By Faith, July 24, 2025

Of all the accolades and titles and fame and praise, Terry Bollea wants to first and foremost be known as a Christian.

Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thanks for being here. Hulk Hogan has passed away. Real name Terry Bollea. 71, heart attack, we're told. People know his wrestling persona, of course.

Jesse Kelly said, I'm not one of these everything was better back in my day people But I cannot properly describe how much different the 80s were than what we have today It was fun and happy and patriotic and ridiculous and over-the-top It was wonderful and Hulk Hogan was a big part of it and he put a picture of Hulk Hogan in there ring holding this huge American flag my wrestling childhood Was after Hulk Hogan that was more of the Rock era

but Hulk of course transcended what was just his peak of wrestling. And then of course more recently people know him as speaking at the Republican National Convention for Trump just a week after Trump got shot remember that and got up there and gave a great speech. But do you know that Hulk Hogan was recently baptized and that he would want you to know him first and foremost as a and gave a great speech. But do you know that Hulk Hogan was recently baptized? And that he would want you to know him first and foremost as a Christian.

Public baptism. You have said the greatest moment of your life.

Yes, without a doubt.

Terry, what did that mean for you?

It broke down that fourth or fifth wall to tell people the truth about my Lord and Savior How you know you should look at things or how you should care for people and not judge people. It set me free It wasn't that perfect vessel that I should be or should have been. Once I was baptized

I felt I was all I knew. It really was a major pivot in my life. These two clips right here. I want to talk about Identity. It's a question we all have to come to terms with. Who are we? major pivot in my life. These two clips right here, I wanna talk about identity. It's a question we all have to come to terms with. Who are we? And where do we get our identity from? And someone like Hulk Hogan

would have a harder time than most trying to figure out who they really are, because he was having to live a dual life always. In this interview he says he knew, because he's a good man, so he wanted to give people what they wanted.

So he knew that people wanted the persona, they wanted Hulk. So he'd be walking down the street and the mailman would say, hey Hulk. And he wouldn't be like, hey Jim. He'd say, oh, what's up Hulk, what's up brother?

Like he'd do the thing, because that's what people wanted. But you do that your whole life and it'd be really easy to not know who you are anymore. But after becoming a Christian, he knew what his proper identity was.

Well, the moment I come home, the headband comes off the bald head. And you know, it's just Terry. Dad, father, husband, friend. I have no wrestling pictures in my house. I have no wrestling belts. Just Terry. The problem is the moment I leave the house, the moment I walk out the front door, the world doesn't want Terry.

I can't imagine the ego that would be built up over the decades of being Hulk Hogan, right? That'll mess you up. You go on Madison Square Garden, you have tens of thousands of people cheering for you. That'll really mess you up. So he was all out of whack, but once he became a Christian,

he knew what his true identity was, and he knew what he brought to the table compared to his creator.

So what Terry brings to the table is a meat suit, you know, a meat suit filled with the spirit of Christ, and it's a testing ground for me. I accepted Christ as my savior when I was 14, but I derailed. It wasn't my life. He has given me the opportunity to prove that I'm faithful,

and I'll never make those same mistakes again.

I never heard this story from, about Hulk before, about Terry. It's about his dad and it ties in so perfectly because we seek approval. We're looking for our proper identity and when it's not in Christ we're so lost we don't know what to do. That's why I was lost but then I was found. But also we seek approval and one of the people we seek approval from the most of course is our earthly father and

Terry never got that and that could cause a lot of trauma a lot of wounds and Really hurt Terry until this happened. This is his answer to the question. What's your most memorable moment as a wrestler?

It didn't have anything to do with being in the ring It had to do with after the match at Madison Square Garden, January 23rd, 1984, where I wrestled the Iron Sheik for the WWF title. Iran had 444 American hostages, and they were keeping our Americans in.

The Iron Sheik, he was the actual bodyguard for the Shah of Iran. He was the real deal, and the fans knew it. And I was the all-american character Hulk Hogan. That night I flew my parents up and and you know my dad and I didn't see eye to eye because I was going to University of South Florida here in Tampa and I was majoring in finance and

management. But when I left college and didn't become an accountant or whatever that degree would lead me to, there was a huge divide as far as communication with my dad and I. You know, so it kind of was a void. And so that night after Madison Square Garden, you know, my dad goes, man, you know,

Terry, I'm very proud of you. You made the right decision. I love you so much, I'm so sorry that I tried to make you do something you didn't wanna do. So that was the greatest night for me, for my dad to say that to me. Because I really didn't know if I was right or not,

it's just I was doing what I love doing. And to me that felt right, but then to have my dad confirm it, but I had to be the main event at Madison Square Garden to get him to break. But that was probably the greatest part of my wrestling career to have that moment with him because I really valued what he thought about me.

A lot of people when they're first becoming a Christian are trying to figure out who God is. And that is very much informed by their earthly father. For better or worse, often for worse. But your heavenly father will never let you down. Your heavenly father is absolutely perfect in every way. Where earthly fathers will surely let their children down, your heavenly father never will. I'm reading John Steinbeck's East of Eden right now.

And I just read this last night. It says here when a child first catches adult out, when it first walks into his grave little head, that adults do not have divine intelligence, that their judgments are not always wise. They're thinking true. Their sentence is just.

His world falls into panic, desolation. The gods are fallen and all safety gone. And there's one sure thing about the fall of gods. They do not fall a little. They crash and shatter or sink deeply into green muck. It's a tedious job to build them up again.

They never quite shine. And the child's world is never quite whole again. It's an aching kind of growing. We realize our father is not God. But how wonderful to know that God is God. All powerful, all knowing, and loves you.

All Christians need to go through this process of finding their true identity in Jesus. Galatians 2 20, I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. I

get sick and tired of myself. You know, The two people in my head, the ego and the real I am, I mean, I just surrendered. I just said, I can't do it anymore. And I went back to the Bible and I started reading again. And I'm either all the way in or all the way out with whatever I do.

So if you're with me, there's no guesswork. If I'm with my Lord and Savior, I'm all the way in.

What message do you now convey at this stage of your life?

It's a spiritual war in this fallen world. To turn to the truth, seek him and you shall find. To step outside their comfort zone and accept Christ, knowing that he would heal the land and heal this nation and heal the people. It just seems like such an easy choice for everyone. If you'll just surrender, accept him as your savior.

A lot of people are going to be reminiscing and talking about the legacy of Hulk Hogan, but I think Hulk Hogan would want his legacy to be as one of a Christian

and a slave of Christ. I just read this poem yesterday. It's by St. George Tucker.

It's probably written late 1700s. Let me see here. St. George Tucker, born in 1757, died 1827. So we're gonna go late 1800s or late 1700s. Ready for this poem? George Tucker, born in 1757, died 1827. So we're gonna go late 1800s or late 1700s. Ready for this poem? Just read it yesterday. Gosh, this is true for all of us,

but I just think Hulk Hogan, because of his so much strength, right? In what he was doing as a wrestler, and then we all die. It's called Days of My Youth. It says, days of my youth, ye have glided away.

Hairs of my youth, ye are frosted and gray. Eyes of my youth, your keen sight is no more. Cheeks of my youth, ye are furrowed all over. Strength of my youth, all your vigor is gone. Thoughts of my youth, your gay visions are flown. All those good times, strong, vigorous, our youth, it vigor is gone thoughts of my youth your gay visions are flown." All those good times strong vigorous our youth it's all gone her eyes are her

hair, her cheeks, strength all gone right? Days of my youth I wish not your recall hairs of my youth I'm content ye should fall. Eyes of my youth, you much evil have seen. Cheeks of my youth bathed in tears have you been. Thoughts of my youth, you've led me astray. Strength of my youth, why lament your decay?" So this first stanza, it's like, oh, I'm so sad. I hate that my strength and vigor has gone away. Oh, my youth, I hate that it's gone. And the first stanza, it's like, oh, I'm so sad. I hate that my strength and vigor has gone away. I, oh, my youth.

I hate that it's gone. And the second stanza is, oh, but there was so much pain, actually. There's so many days that I don't even want to think about again. So many tears, so many thoughts that I've had that have sent me in a bad direction. I've seen so much evil in my life. And it ends with this stanza, days of my age. All right, so now here we are, older, reflecting on right now. Days of my age, ye will shortly be past. Pains of my age, yet a while ye can last.

Joys of my age, in true wisdom delight. Eyes of my age, be religion your light. Thoughts of my age, dread ye not the cold sod. Means being buried. Don't dread dying. Hopes of my age be fixed on your God. Can I do this last part real quick?

Eyes of my age be religion, your light. Thoughts of my age dread ye not the cold side. Hopes of my age be fixed on your God. Let's take it from Hulk Hogan that the most important thing in life is being a Christian. Mike Slater dot locals dot com for the transcript and no commercials Mike

 

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