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Pastor John MacArthur Interview
Politics By Faith, April 2, 2024
July 02, 2024

What an honor to talk to Pastor MacArthur. We talked about his new book "The War On Children" and also got into Joe Biden, Donald Trump, the only way we can save this country, and his choice words for Gavin Newsom.


Welcome to Politics by Faith, brought to you by the Patriot Gold Kurukwa. An honor it was to talk to the great Pastor John McArthur on the show this morning. That's on Breitbart News Daily. He doesn't do a lot of interviews, and the fact that he agreed to chat with us is just fantastic. So I wanted to put it over here for you so you can enjoy the entire interview. Pastor McArthur.

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All right, let's get to the important stuff now. A man who has had an incredible influence in my life and my family's life. He's the pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles, author of 150 books. Gty.org, grace2u.org is an incredible resource. Chancellor of the Masters University and Seminary, the MacArthur Study Bible, over a million sold his newest book the war on children providing refuge for your children hostile world pastor john mccarthur passes an honor to talk to you sir good morning

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in my view mike my privilege

and and thank you for waking up early force what you know the wake-up time pastor

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it's not five o'clock

0:01:12
Well, thank you. Thank you for doing it for us close, but close, but you missed it by about an hour. That's

0:01:17
Got a ton of questions for you, sir, but let's start with the book of course You've you've been through a lot of decades Which is a nice way of saying you're old sir, but you see you've seen a lot was as you look back Was there something that you can you can point to and you're like, ah, yes, yes, that, that was a turning point. Or that, I don't want to say the start of it all, because that goes back a long time, but that was a major acceleration of dissent at that time.

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Yeah, it's a really perceptive question. I don't want to get wrapped up in too long an answer. But in the first chapter of Romans, the Apostle Paul writes that the wrath of God is revealed against the society when there's a sequence. And the first sequence is a sexual revolution. And three times the Bible says God gave them over. When there's a sexual revolution, and this is repeated through history, nation after nation after nation. When there's

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a sexual revolution, it says God gave them up to immorality, followed by a homosexual revolution and God gave them up to the consequences of that behavior. And then it's followed by a third part that's basically a reprobate mind, a homosexual revolution, and a reprobate mind, meaning they don't think right. I used to wonder, what is that? Well, it might be when you try to turn a boy into a girl, or a girl into a boy.

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I can't think of anything more insane than that. And you might mutilate them in the process. There's an insanity loose in our culture that is the exact sequence going from a sexual revolution, go back to the playboy era, the homosexual revolution which we all know very much about, which has taken over leading into the transgender, which is the insanity. And it's at that point that you can say, at least in Romans 1, God gave them over.

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God gave them over. God takes his hand off at that point. And so there's a forfeiture by that culture of divine blessing. And they put themselves in a serious position before God. So I look at those kind of three sequential steps as the most defining, from a biblical standpoint, the most defining things as to why this culture is where it is.

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Do you ever think that we would see a drag queen story hour for children in schools?

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No, and that's part of that third insanity, the reprobate mind, when people don't even think straight. And then when your government and your president says his priority is to make sure that he elevates and honors and protects those people engaged in that kind of thing, the insanity has reached the highest level and they are the levers of power and from a civil standpoint there's no way back.

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You mentioned Playboy a second ago. Hugh Hefner is such a fascinating study to me in our society. When he passed away how many years ago? Just heralded as this hero, this man among men and he's living every man's dream, but you actually look at his life and he was just miserable. Everything about his life was disgusting and the people around him, and even the mansion was filthy and wretched on the inside in every, even like physical way.

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How did we get so wrapped up in all Hugh Hefner and the glamour of it all?

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Well, because every human being is born in sin. Everyone who is born is born into the kingdom of darkness. Everyone who is born is basically a part of the family of Satan. And so when you sell the lust of the flesh, you're tracking with fallenness. I mean, that's... Why is it so hard to break pornography?

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pornography. Why do I talk to a guy on his deathbed who's 80 years old who says to me, my greatest regret is that I hate the word pornography? What was that about? What was that about? I mean, that's powerful and that's in an unregenerate heart, transformed by the gospel. So, yeah, as it can possibly be, because there's an appetite for that.

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Yeah. Talking with John MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church in LA. The new book is called The War on Children, Providing Refuge for Your Children in a Hostile World. Let me read this quote here, just on the point you just made. Our culture today is the product of centuries of vile and horrific sins.

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It's been shaped by the wretched desires and wicked intentions of hell-bent hearts. It is a universal reality that each generation passes on to the next a more corrupt world than the one they inherited. In my lifetime alone, the world has rapidly grown more comfortable with sin and more eager to celebrate its pervasive influence. I shudder to think, should the Lord tarry, how future generations will sink further into

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sin." is you go into important detail on the history of child sacrifice. And to me, that's always been my sort of made up rock bottom. I'll know we hit rock bottom when we do actual satanic ritualistic sacrifice. A million aborted babies is a horrific number. But like putting in front of the altars of Baal.

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And it turns out the other day the president of el salvador talked about how ms thirteen gang members of the satanic rituals on children in anything well like we're here and you're going to really important detail on on the history of that why do you go into the detail of that and and is that rock bottom to you

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you're absolutely right mike that i mean that's rock bottom you take basically the most defenseless, the most innocent, the most helpless of all humanity, and you murder them, or you maim them, or you mutilate them, or you pervert them. I mean, this is the worst of...

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I mean, I guess the only thing worse than that is lying about things that are biblical, lying about the Bible. Maybe it's the very worst thing, but not too far off from that is being a phony healer who takes people who are sick, diseased, broken, handicapped, and promising them healing if they send you their money. But that's pretty close to low, but it doesn't reach the level of just outright using children as, yeah, as sacrifices to the God of self.

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You're right, that's just sad.

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It's been common, it's been common through all of human history.

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Yes.

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And I have a chapter in the book that basically delineates that. I mean, that even Israel got involved in sacrificing their children to Molech. And God said to them, even the pagans who sacrificed their children to Baal or Molech, those are my children. And Jesus said the same thing when he picked up a little child in his arms and said, allow this child to come to me for of such is the kingdom of heaven. There's a sense in which children belong to God

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And, yes, society can't get more base than to take the most helpless, the most innocent, and the ones who are at that point under divine protection, even a part of the kingdom of God, and destroys them.

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Yes.

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Tell me, John MacArthur, new book, The War on Children, Providing Refuge for Your Children in a Hostile World. I think the most haunting part of all that other than it. He wrote, Mothers, according to Plutarch, as they would physically take this born child and put him in the fire, stood by without tears or sobs.

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If they wept or sobbed, they lost the honor of the act, and their children were sacrificed nonwithstanding. That's such a haunting story about how profoundly the human soul can be seared and seared by culture or what? I don't even know what, like what is that? What causes that type of, that's not stoicism, that seared conscience.

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Well, it goes back to that Romans 1 thing.

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It's a descent. It starts out with immorality and then it becomes perverse sexuality in some form or another. You can see that in ancient history as well. And then you, there's only one more step and that's to insanity. And that's where you wind up mutilating children,

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killing children, using children. You know when the gay lobby says, we're coming after your children. That's a warning from hell.

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Yeah.

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Or they're not your children.

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Um, you talk about, yeah, they belong to the nation or they belong to the village.

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Yeah.

Here's Joe Biden. Um, there's no such thing as someone else's child.

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Our nation's children are all our children and Kamala, maybe our next president. That's from a man, that's from a man who obviously didn't know how to raise children. We all believe that when we talk about the children of our community they are children of the community says Kamala, which is funny but also because it's non-sequitur but hilarious but sad too. But that's what these people think, that's what these progressives have always thought. They're not yours,

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Pastor MacArthur. Children are not ours, children are not a private

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Now they're to be offered up for whatever purposes the culture wants if it's blood sacrifice. So be it if it's to change the nature of Society to change culture. I mean if you want to change the culture you go for the kids I mean we all have seen the literature that's come out on the arrival of the cell phone in 2010 and between 2010 and 2015 teenage suicides begin

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to go up. Teenage girls become victims of discontent at a level they've never been at and now we're still reaping the suicidal effects of all of that. And that's all orchestrated, You know, your teenage, 14-year-old girl draws something down out of the internet, and the next thing you know, it's just a barrage of that coming at her, coming at her, until her whole approach to life is altered dramatically and powerfully by the instrument she holds in her hand.

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How do you protect children from the worst in a society if they've got it in their hand? And the purveyors of all of that are after them.

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Yes, yes, yes. And it's your book. We need to provide a refuge for our children. But you always hear this, Pastor, of, oh, we don't want to shield our children, or, you know, we don't want them to be weirdos and not acclimate, or not, what's the right word they use, assimilate to society or whatever. You know, we don't want to protect them too. We don't want to over protect them, Pastor.

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Well, I have a fear of parents who often make their own choices. You know, that's a real, a big disaster. Parents don't prepare for the purpose of training children where they should go. They're not prepared. They're not going to depart from it. That's obvious. Child is a product of training. Some kind of training, even if it's minimal training or even it's training in bad things, the child is a product

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of parental influence and the societal power. And in this society, the parents are left to really to fight the battle alone. And I think that's where the church has to step in and provide the social structure and the larger family to aid parents, because the culture is bent on the destruction of children.

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Yes, that's right.

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I mean, they're literally bent on it. It's a target. It's not incidental. It's a target. They want to sell everything that they have, economically and morally or immorally to the children. They're the least able to resist the impact. So parents have to take on a defense mode. You can go back 50 years in American culture, and the society would be helpful to parents

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because there was honor in the society and integrity. And things were right, were clearly right. And things that were wrong were clearly wrong that's all been turned upside down inside out uh... to say uh... you know i will let my kid make his own decision in this environment

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basically the most irresponsible thing a parent could do

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uh... so much of your body moment ago uh... how do you in this political season and every political season how do you think about politics and Christianity and anxiety for the future and what's next and this is the most important election of our lifetime. How do you think about this stuff?

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Well, I think about it two ways. Number one, I think about everything biblically. And God is sovereign and he is in charge and he controls everything. And that means that what's going on in our country, as bad as it is, and as satanic as it is, we have to remember that the devil is God's devil. And he's got limits and he's got boundaries.

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So why is what's happening happening? Because when a society, again, turns to sexual immorality, homosexual immorality, and a reprobate mind, God gives them up. There's a sense in which God takes his hand of blessing off that society. And when he gives them up, it means he gives them up to the consequences of their choices. If you follow that pattern, what you get is Joe Biden, who is the epitome of all of those things that I just talked about. Immorality, rampant in his own family at an epic level, and in his own life, now that's been part of his life.

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That's part of it. And then advocating for homosexuality, and then saying he supports all the transgender nonsense. get when you go down the Romans one path because this is in itself is a kind of divine judgment. Is there a way back? There is a way back if we return to the Word of God, if we proclaim the Gospel, if people

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turn to Christ. You can't change a culture any other way than to change hearts, change hearts from the inside out. And that's where the church has to step in. And as a man who's been in the pastures virtually my whole adult life, I have to say the church has miserably failed. The church has worked so hard to look and sound like what people outside the church

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want that it's lost its impact. It's virtually impossible to tell, I think, to a non-believing person, when he goes to a typical mega church service, the difference between that and a rock concert. Where is the church pointing out the sins of... The scripture makes so clear that bring about divine judgment. But the solution is not going to be Donald Trump. That's a huge move in the right direction.

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And, you know, I think if God allows that to happen, that Trump becomes president, you could say that the Lord has kind of put the brakes on a little bit. But the train is moving so fast down the direction of having been abandoned by God that unless there's a huge spiritual turnaround, there's no way to stop this. And that falls to the church and Christian people. And that means that you... Obviously, we care about politics because we care about sin and righteousness, and we want to uphold righteousness, but Christian people also have to care a whole lot more about the gospel that alone can transform people's hearts.

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We can be concerned about temporal things like politics, but the reason we're in this world is to proclaim the saving gospel of Christ, the transformation that he brings can change a family and change a community and change a nation. Amen. I wonder, I have

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to do another study on this, about Jonathan Edwards and what what the soil was like in the early 1700s in America where a revival or an awakening could take place and could that could something like that happen again? It has to, right? That's all I hope. But could something like that happen in the soil that we have today that is our culture? Yeah, if there's a

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return to the Word of God. It falls to pastors. If we start preaching the Bible...

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Yeah, it's a big if. Pastor, my last question for you before i uh... courage everyone to buy your fantastic book again if you were walking down the streets today pastor in the city streets of los angeles where you live and have called home for many many decades and you bumped into uh... one gavin newsom

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used smacked right into him uh... the pastor what would you say to gavin newsom

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well i did an interview with him and Larry King a few years back. You can check that out. It's pretty interesting. He told me he was a Christian. He was serious about that. And we were discussing the fact that he had basically opened San Francisco to gay marriage.

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And I took issue with that. And he said, well, you know, I'm a Christian also. I said, oh, well, you must believe the Bible." And he stumbled and stammered and said, well, yes, I do. Well, if you believe the Bible, you couldn't possibly advocate same sex marriage. I would say to Gavin Newsom, you don't have the, you don't have, you don't, you put

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yourself in a satanic position to represent the kingdom of darkness rather than the kingdom of God, you know better than this. You were taught better than this. You know what the Bible teaches about morality, even what it teaches about society, family, marriage, culture, even what the Bible teaches about economics. You know all of that, and you are blatantly fighting against God. And I'm concerned about your own soul to start with and the impact you're having on people that is disastrous.

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My last question is, how do you, can you encourage us to speak... By the way, I wrote him a letter to that effect. Was that after the billboard that he put up quoting scripture to encourage people to get abortions? Yep I wrote him a letter. Have you heard back? No. I wonder if you read it. I didn't expect to hear back. I

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wonder if you read it. I felt like I had a responsibility to tell him the truth. Yeah. Can you encourage us to speak with such boldness there because some are scared of confrontation Well that's if you're a Christian that's the reason you're here I

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Mean that that's the reason you're here And if you if you made no enemies you look at your life and said you know I've made no enemies Then you've lived a coward's life If you've never stopped lying if you've never stopped lying, someone from lying, if you've never halted a

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sinner in the path of his sin and therefore made at least initially an enemy, then you've lived a coward's life. You know, you've got to be bold and brave. Yeah, there's a price to pay. I mean, they crucified Jesus. They basically, So basically the religious culture killed all the Apostles if they weren't killed they were exiled Christians have been persecuted through all of human history. That's part of it but when

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Right you Fish reward would be great Hmm indeed it will and I know yours will sir... the book the war on children providing refuge for your children and hostile world pastor john mccarthur pastor and on our sir thank you for so much time this morning and for your your lifetime of service to the lord what pleasure they haven't passed on the car they're my slated on locals dot com website, transcript no commercial myself no commercial myself dot locals

 

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Can't wait to hear what he's going to say on Sunday. Now I want to play this poem that I already recorded and it's about heaven. So I've recorded this poem and then right afterwards, my producer sent me this, that clip you just heard right there. And I was like, Oh, I got it. I got to put this in the beginning. So here is a poem about heaven. 

It's a poem by John Pierpont. He's a poet 150 years ago or so. It's called My Child. He says, I cannot make him dead. His fair sunshiny head is ever bounding round my study chair. He's always running around me. 

Yet, when my eyes now dim with tears, I turn to him. The vision vanishes. He's not there. I walk my parlor floor, and through the open door, I hear a footfall on the chamber stair. 

I hear him. 

I'm stepping towards the hall to give the boy a call, and then bethink me that he's not there. I tread the crowded street. A satcheled lad I meet, with the same beaming eyes and colored hair. And as he's running by, I follow him with my eye, scarcely believing that he's not there. I know, I know, his face is hid. Under the coffin lid. 

Closed are his eyes. Cold is his forehead fair. My hand that marble felt. O 'er it in prayer I knelt. Yet my heart whispers that he's not there. Quick pause, I'm halfway through. 

Nothing's really been said. I haven't heard anything said about Charlie Kirk's parents. So they're thinking that of their child. They have their emotions. This is from Erica's perspective, thinking of her children that now don't have a dad. And you've gone through heartache. 

This may be super relevant to your life right now as well and maybe what you need to hear. The poet says, I cannot make him dead when passing by the bed. So long watched over with parental care, my spirit and my eye seek it inquiringly before the thought comes that he is not there. When at the cool gray break of day from sleep I wake with my first breathing of the morning air, my soul up with joy to him who gave my boy then comes the sad thought that he is not there oh my goodness I don't know which of these is more heartbreaking when at the day's calm close before we seek repose I'm with his mother offering up our prayer whatever I may be saying I am in spirit praying for our boy's spirit though he's not there not there where then is he can we please have a turn in this poem not there where then is he The form I used to see was but the raiment that he used to wear. Clothes, they're just clothes. 

Raiment's just clothing. So the form, the thing that I see that I can't stop seeing running around, jump around me, climb up the stairs, whatever. The thing I can't not see, the thing I can't unsee is just clothes that he used to wear. The grave that now doth press upon that cast off dress is but his wardrobe locked. He is not there. He lives. 

In all the past he lives, in all my memories, nor to the last of seeing him again will I despair. In dreams I see him now, and on his angel brow I see it written, thou shalt see me there. Yes, we all live to God. Father, thy chastening rod, so help us, thine afflicted ones, help us to bear that in the spirit land, meeting at thy right hand, t 'will be our heaven to find that he is there. John Pierpont. my child, I can't wait to go to heaven one day too. 

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September 17, 2025
Charlie Kirk: Heaven Is Real
Politics By Faith, September 17, 2025

I came across this poem the other day, and it may be helpful to you in a time of grief. 

I'm adding a short little intro here to the normal intro we normally do. I'm about to read a poem here. It's way sadder. There's moments of it that are way sadder than I even thought. So I just want to give a little emotional warning before this episode. Just brace yourself, prepare yourself. 

There is a turn in the poem, so it ends up joyful, but in the beginning, it could be difficult. Okay, now to the regularly scheduled podcast. Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thank you for being here. This Sunday is the memorial service for Charlie Kirk. I pray it is a beautiful service and moving and Holy Spirit led and sparks a revival and that God speaks through everyone who is speaking there and what needs to be said is said and heard by the American people. 

I came across this poem two days ago. There's a lot of things in here that I think are relevant. It depends where your perspective is exactly, but I think it can help a lot of people in a lot of different ways. It's a poem by John Pierpont, who's a poet 150 years ago or so. It's called My Child. He says, I cannot make him dead. 

His fair sunshiny head is ever bounding round my study chair. He's always running around me. Yet when my eyes now dim with tears, I turn to him, the vision vanishes. He's not there. I walk my parlor floor and through the open door, I hear a footfall on the chamber stair. I'm stepping towards the hall to give the boy a call and then be thanked. 

me that he's not there. I tread the crowded street, a satcheled lad I meet, with the same beaming eyes and colored hair. And as he's running by, I follow him with my eye, scarcely believing that he's not there. I know, I know, his face is hid under the coffin lid. Closed are his eyes. Cold is his forehead fair. 

My hand that marble felt. O 'er it in prayer I knelt, yet my heart whispers that he's not there. Quick pause, I'm halfway through. Nothing's really been said. I haven't heard anything said about Charlie Kirk's parents. So they're just thinking that of their child. 

They have their emotions. This is from Erica's perspective, thinking of her children that now don't have a dad. And you've gone through heartache. This may be super relevant to your life right now as well, and maybe what you need to hear. The poet says, I cannot make him dead when passing by the bed, so long watched over with parental care, my spirit and my eye. Seek it inquiringly before the thought comes that he is not there. 

When at the cool gray break of day from sleep I wake, with my first breathing of the morning air, my soul goes up with joy to him who gave my boy. Then comes the sad thought that he is not there. Oh my goodness. I don't know which of these is more heartbreaking. When at the day's calm close, before we seek repose, I'm with his mother offering up our prayer. Whatever I may be saying, I am in spirit praying for our boy's spirit, though he's not there. 

" Not there. Where then is he? Can we please have a turn in this poem? Not there. Where then is he? The form I used to see was but the raiment that he used to wear. 

Clothes. There's clothes. Raiment's just clothing. So the form, the thing that I see that I can't stop seeing, running around, jump around me, climb up the stairs. The thing I can't not see, the thing I can't unsee is just clothes that he used to wear. The grave that now doth press upon that cast -off dress is but his wardrobe locked. 

He is not there. He lives. In all the past, he lives. In all my memories, nor to the last of seeing him again will I despair. In dreams I see him now, and on his angel brow I see it written, thou shalt see me there. Yes, we all live to God. 

Father, thy chastening rod, so help us, thine afflicted ones, help us to bear that in the spirit land, meeting at thy right hand, t 'will be our heaven to find that he is there. John Pierpont, my child. I can't wait to go to heaven one day too. Mike Slater dot locals dot com. Transcript commercial free on the website. Mike Slater dot locals dot com.

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September 16, 2025
Charlie Kirk: Should We Cancel Leftists?
Politics By Faith, September 16, 20, 2025

It's quite shocking how many people have celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and celebrated in vile ways. Should these people be fired from their jobs? 

 

A couple of Bible verses that have come to mind recently. 

Someone sent me this one, John 12, 24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone, but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. John 12, 24, the line before that, it's Jesus talking about his death. He says, the hour has come that the son of man should be glorified. Let's read the rest of what Jesus said here. Him, my father will honor. 

" This line right here about he who loves his life will lose it and who hates his life in this world will keep it in eternal. Like that's, that's just so as good as it gets. Um, we are called to, we are sojourners and pilgrims. Our home is heaven, not this earth. Hebrews 11, talking about people in the old Testament. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims. 

on the earth. 

You know, I've never lived through a martyr before. I've never seen, I've read about it, but I've never seen how one martyr can change millions of hearts. That in his death, people can buy Bibles for the first time, go to church for the first time, do all this, like, like they've, like, they've never done before. Like it's never happened. And I pray it's a revival. I pray it's just the beginning of a revival, a martyrdom where you can spread the gospel, spread the truth of the Bible, God's word so well in your life. 

Like, I mean, so as in like a certain amount of well, but then in your death, It's infinitely more. How amazing is that? And I'm certain that on Sunday during the memorial service, there's going to be a lot of accurate talk about Charlie Kirk being home. Never lived through a martyr. It's wonderful. I want to share another biblical illusion here. 

We talked on the show today about cancel culture and how there's a lot of people out there celebrating the death, the assassination of Charlie Kirk saying, you know, vile, like wicked, horrible stuff. Not even like he deserved it. That's bad enough, but just like, Oh, like he's dead. Oh yeah. It's awesome. 

Like, like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. 

Something is wrong with you. And. A lot of these people who are doing this are like teachers and nurses and professional class people, and they're being fired from their job. So the question is, should someone be fired? If you celebrate the death, the assassination of Charlie Cook, should you be fired for it? We talked about that for a good amount of time on the show today. 

The answer is yes, by the way. It's wholesale different from what the left did to conservatives for all these years. What the left did to conservatives, first of all, it was, they'd scour social media posts from decades ago to try to get something you said then that could be insulting or offensive now. They're like, oh man. The left did it to dead people. 

They canceled Dr. Seuss. They canceled Pepe Le Pew. They canceled Uncle Ben off the Rice Box. They canceled Aunt Jemima. I mean, they canceled fictional characters. That's how dedicated they were to just destruction. 

Then when Donald Trump won in 2016, and they've done this too with like Rush Limbaugh before, but in 2016, they tried to destroy every conservative group and media outlet that existed just for being, just for existing. Wouldn't say anything different. It was like they said something offensive in particular. It's just, oh, you're conservative, you're gone. And we don't do that. We're not doing that to the left. 

We're not saying, oh, you're a pro -choice, then you should be fired. It's, oh, you're celebrating the assassination of someone. This is a big problem. If you think that that's a big, big problem, And also, I don't trust you. I don't trust you anymore. As a teacher for shepherding the hearts and minds of kids, you're gone. 

You can't do that. You can't have that job anymore. Or if you're a nurse taking care of someone who might be a conservative, you're celebrating. I mean, you're supposed to be for life. You're celebrating someone getting shot in the neck because of their political beliefs. And I come in, I have the same political beliefs, and you're my nurse. 

This isn't going to work. This relationship isn't going to work. It's a high trust relationship, and by default, We assume it works, but I can't assume that anymore. You can't have that job. Actually, let me play this. This woman, she called in on the show today and had a really good story here. 

This is Becky. Becky is in Florida. Becky, how are you? 

Good, good. 

It's been a rough week, that's for sure. 

It has. 

So I am a nurse and not long before the election, I had a patient come in. She was having a textbook heart attack, happened to be a slow night. So I was able to spend time with her, you know, talk to her. We get her up to the cath lab to try and get a stent in. and she starts decompensating and I spent probably five minutes rubbing her head, talking to her about she said they were making hamburgers when this all happened, what was she going to have, what was her daughter's name and trying to say this without crying and I told her, we're going to put you to sleep until we can get this procedure done and she died and I was the last person to speak to her and that really hit me but what hit me And why it came back around was that she was wearing a Kamala Harris shirt, and I didn't care. And I have seen so many of my health care friends celebrating Charlie's death. 

And I think to myself, if I came in with a MAGA shirt or a Charlie shirt or a Trump shirt or whatever, even a God bless America shirt, are you going to treat me differently? Because it sure seems like it. And my job, I don't care what your political leanings are. I don't care if you're trans. I don't care if you're gay. I don't care. 

My job is to save your life. And I didn't care that that woman had a Kamala Harris shirt on, because you know what? She's still a human at the end of the day. And it just amazes me how many people have, you know, teachers, like you said, or nurses or doctors. Just your job is to save lives. not to celebrate death. 

And I don't know, it just, it just came back to me this week because I just, I didn't care. She was a human and I hope, and sorry to keep talking, but I didn't even want to be in that assignment that day. I tried to switch and talk about a God moment because I took the time to be with her as she died and give her memories that she will hopefully hold on to forever. 

If a nurse celebrates the assassination of Charlie Kirk, will they treat with as much love and care a conservative who is a fan of Charlie Kirk? One of the most powerful examples of what Becky told the story over there was the Tree of Life synagogue shooting. And the murderer there was then brought to a hospital nearby in Pittsburgh and was treated, cared for by doctors who go to that synagogue. This is who we are. And wicked people who reveal themselves, and I'm glad you are revealing yourself, actually. We have no more patience for this. 

We can't have it anymore. Now someone called into the show and said, uh, Oh, let me give you one more example. What the left is doing. They're talking about, Oh, what about Melissa Hortman? She was the Minnesota speaker of the house who was assassinated or killed, killed, assassinated in her house by this guy who went around to a couple of different politicians houses and tried to kill a bunch. Well, and they're like, Oh, where were you then? 

You know, where were you when this Democrat got, got killed? Not celebrating it. Let's start with that. Not jumping up and down, not saying you deserve it. So end of story. I don't even know what you're talking about. 

Like, what's, what's your point? You are celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Oh, what about Melissa Horthman? 

Okay. 

Like horrible. Like what do you want? I mean, I said it was horrible. I'm not celebrating it. Like you guys are. 

What do you like? 

What do you even bring that up for? Someone called in and talked about how it's good that people are speaking because it separates the chaff from the wheat. And I always liked this imagery in the Bible. Uh, you have wheat, that's the good stuff. And the outer layer of it is the chaff and it's got to be separated. So they would smash it on the ground. 

And the chaff would, because it's light, fly up in the air and float away and the wind would take it out. And the Bible often talks about separating the worthless chaff from the very valuable grains. Psalm 1, the wicked are not so, but are like chaff that the wind drives away. Let's drive the chaff away. Not just because of someone's political belief. No, no one's saying, Hey, if you don't, if you didn't subscribe to Charlie Kirk's Twitter page, then you need to be fired. 

You can disagree with everything he's ever said. Let's ask for some humanity. Here's the big. Wheat and chaff reference. This is Matthew 3 11, John the Baptist. He says, I baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 

His winnowing fork is in his hand and he will clear the threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn. Chaff, he will burn with unquenchable fire. Don't be chaff. And in America right now, it's okay to have people separated. It's good to separate the wheat and the chaff. the chaff. 

I'll end with this that I read in my new book, Scripture Emblems and Allegories. This one is about the sun of truth. And it's an image of a mountain with a sun up in the air and two men, one walking towards the sun, one walking away from the sun. And I am going to quote all of it. It's two pages. Seeware, among the mountain heights, a long straight path stretches itself till it's lost in the distance beyond. 

The sun pours wide his rays of living light, illuminating the path and shedding luster all around. Two travelers are pursuing their different routes. One advances towards the sun. His shadow is behind him. His path is bright before him. As he proceeds, his shadow diminishes while his path grows brighter and brighter until directly overhead, The sun pours the full tide of its glory upon him and the whole of his shadow disappears. 

The other has turned his back upon the orb of day. See, he follows his own shadow. It darkens his pathway before him. Now he leaves the track. His shadow lengthens more and more. He wanders into sunken labyrinths and finally loses himself amidst the darkness of night. 

How many people have you talked about recently, whether it's the trans church shooter recently or the guy, the train in Charlotte who stabbed the woman in the neck or this is a murder of Charlie Kerr. There's so many, so many stories. Even ones that don't get as much headlines like carjackers in DC. It's like, whoa, you have lost yourself amidst the darkness of night. This emblem represents the moral world. The sun designates the sun of truth. 

The travelers denote first those who follow the light. Their path shines brighter and brighter unto the perfect day. Their souls become enlightened. vivified and purified. Darkness disappears and heavenly light shines on their souls forever. Secondly, it signifies those who turn their backs on the light and who, as they journey, wander farther and farther from his bright beams. 

Their path becomes darker and darker. Their shadow lengthens as they proceed until having forsaken altogether the way of truth. They lose themselves among the wilds of error and perish in the darkness of everlasting night. They perish in the darkness of everlasting night. Where shines the sun of truth? In the Holy Bible. 

The scriptures are a light to the weary traveler, illuminating all his goings, pointing out his proper path, and showing where the mountains of error lift up their desolating heads. This sun of truth shines on the traveler himself. It discovers, oh, this is so good. It discovers his ignorance, guilt. This is so important. The light doesn't illuminate how great I am. 

This book was written in the 1850s. They had it right there. It's not like, oh, the sun. I'm so glad the sun is shining on me. I'm awesome. I am great. No, the sun of truth discover, it causes the person to discover his ignorance, guilt, danger, helplessness, and at the same time, his immortality. 

Again, it shines and he beholds Calvary with all its weeping tragedies. It reveals to him now his wisdom, justification, sanctification, and redemption, where shines the son of truth and the person of Jesus Christ. He who wisely chooses, uses the light of the scriptures will be led to contemplate him who's the light of the world, the son of righteousness, the splendid glory of Jehovah, the way, the life, and the truth. The Christian, following the light of the glorious sun of truth, discovers ever -opening mines of richest knowledge, fountains of living waters rolled or treasures at his feet. Trees of life overhang his pathway and drop into his lap their golden stores till at length he beholds the opening gates to the new Jerusalem, where light and truth, their mystic powers combine and over the realms of love forever shine. The infidel," his last paragraph here, the infidel, turning his back upon the light, walks in the vain shadow of his own opinions. 

Oh, I got to read this on the radio, right? Don't people need to hear this too on the radio? Walk in the vain shadow of his own opinions. Me, I'm perfect. I know everything. I know what's right. 

Darker and yet more dark. I am God, says Satan. Darker and yet more dark the shadow grows. He waxes worse and worse. One truth after another is given up. One lie after another is embraced. 

Farther and farther he wanders from God and bliss. And finally he takes his fearful leap in the dark and finds himself, contrary to his expectations, in outer darkness, where there's weeping and wailing and woe. We need to be people who follow the light always in every way. And the more we do, the more we recognize our failings, our weakness, how much we're drowning, how much we need to be saved and how grateful we are for a savior. Mike Slater dot locals . com transcript commercial free on the website. Mike Slater dot locals .

 

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